Complete lack of common sense?

[SB10]

Just came across this article on the news sites..

"Two policemen were suspended after a disabled pensioner claimed he was left terrified by officers who smashed his car window after catching him driving without a seatbelt.

When stroke victim Robert Whatley, 70, was pulled over in his Range Rover, he expected a brief discussion with the officers.

But he claims he was forced to cover his face and was showered with glass as one officer jumped onto the bonnet and kicked his windscreen while another repeatedly attacked the window with a baton.
The ensuing action was caught on film by a police camera placed on the patrol car's dashboard."

Follow the link below for the COMPLETE story and supporting video.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1300608/Po...





Turns out he wasnt just randomly attacked as he made out... he bloody well sped off after being stopped, refused to stop for a further 8 miles with police cars chasing.. and only then stopped when faced with a policeman complete with a stinger device.

What a stupid old man!

Edited by SB10 on Thursday 5th August 16:44

[Justayellowbadge]

There's a fair bit more that than meets the eye.

"Mr Whatley, who never broke the speed limit during the chase, said he had become confused during the pursuit.

He said he thought that the blue lights and siren of the pursuing car meant the officer was giving him a police escort home."


Chinny reck-on.

[judas]

Ah well, good grounds to remove his driving licence if nothing else.

[Colin 1985]

I don't know why it was necessary to climb on the bonnet and smash the windscreen, indeed that makes the officer a tempting target to be run over, but in defense of the police it looked like he was taking a long time to pull over as if he was making off from a crime.

[tinman0]

Justayellowbadge said:

There's a fair bit more that than meets the eye.

No matter how you view this video, the Police response was disproportionate.

For instance, the guy leaping out of the car and going straight to smash the window in - now I can imagine that after a pumped up chase through the villages following a 17 year old who has just stolen a car and is joyriding you'd have some justification, but this was a pensioner (an uncooperative one at that), who has taken off and done 35mph down the lanes.

They knew it was an old guy, this wasn't the chase of the century, and this wasn't the world's biggest ticket he was originally getting - driving without a seatbelt.

Leaping into action to apprehend an OAP? Seriously.

[okgo]

I can't really quite believe what I've just seen.

What the fking hell are they playing at?!

[Elroy Blue]

SB10 said:

Follow the link below for the COMPLETE story and supporting video.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1300608/Po...

Edited by SB10 on Thursday 5th August 16:44

'Complete' story and then a link to the Daily Mail. There's a contradiction in terms

What a poor old dear!! But then again, the Senior Officers who suspended the two pursuing Officers seem to be more senile than the arrogant old fart driving the Range Rover.

[thinfourth2]

okgo said:

I can't really quite believe what I've just seen.

What the fking hell are they playing at?!

Stopping a posible car thief?

They must of tried to stop him and he hasn't stopped so driving a vehicle like that it would be easy to assume drug dealer or car thief

[Mojooo]

i'd say it was reasonable although the first copper was quite aggresive

it does say he had driven 8 MILES without stopping and there may have been words said during the first stop.

[jmorgan]

Big them Range Rovers. How much damage can you do if you wanted?

[Halb]

thinfourth2 said:

Stopping a posible car thief?
They must of tried to stop him and he hasn't stopped so driving a vehicle like that it would be easy to assume drug dealer or car thief

Possibly. I suppose they saw he wasn't wearing his seatbelt from a front window without tinting? It's a nice motor with a personal reg, could be they thought it was a drugs lord
The road he was on for most of it, it was 50 or a 60 limit there with the 40 change coming up?
"He told the court he then drove off because he thought he had been dealt with, was 'frail and vulnerable' and worried he would suffer another stroke.

'I feel on health grounds I was justified,' he said. 'I was displaying my medication needs and the officer was ignoring me.

'My survival instinct was such was that I was trying to assist the officer the best I could. I feared another stroke.

'I thought he had finished with me. I just drove off coolly and calmly and not off at speed.'"

That does sound a lil suspect.

[Jim the Sunderer]

I dare say he shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel.

[carmonk]

Driving a drug wagon with illegal windows, illegal number plate, not wearing a seatbelt, not stopping for police and being suspected of leaving the scene of an accident. Stupid old bd, he should be taken off the road for good.

[Scraggles]

maybe swap the RR for a mobility scooter ?

[odyssey2200]

The guy didn't make any real attempt to escape.
The BiB followed a long way behind without making any real attempt to "pull him over"

If any of you were driving at that speed with a cop car that far behind you how many would immediately stop of wonder WTF he was doing?

Was the car reported stolen?


The response was completely OTT!

Its nice to see that you guys uphold the tradition of innocent until proven guilty.
so anyone who has a RR with a private plate is a drug dealer and deserves their car trashed?

The tt didn't even try the door before smashing fk out of the window.

These public servants are acting more like stormtroopers every day.

When the next Plod decides to attack a one of you guys in your "drug dealers sports car" lets see how you find it then?

Edited by odyssey2200 on Thursday 5th August 22:00

[KrazyIvan]

odyssey2200 said:

The guy didn't make any real attempt to escape.
The BiB followed a long way behind without making any real attempt to "pull him over"

If any of you were driving at that speed with a cop car that far behind you how many would immediately stop of wonder WTF he was doing?

Was the car reported stolen?


The response was completely OTT!

Sorry, it was not OTT, he drove off before he was told he could, he then refused to stop, for all they know he could have had a body in the boot. Their reaction was no because he wasnt wearing a seatbelt, it was beacsue he refused to stop and they had no idea what the full situation was and so act with the most force in case is is more serious then it 1st seemed. They do not have the luxury of assuming its just some mad old boy. And when I see blue lights behind me, no matter how far I pull over, weather its for me or to let it past

Edited by KrazyIvan on Thursday 5th August 22:09

[odyssey2200]

KrazyIvan said:

KrazyIvan said:

odyssey2200 said:

The guy didn't make any real attempt to escape.
The BiB followed a long way behind without making any real attempt to "pull him over"

If any of you were driving at that speed with a cop car that far behind you how many would immediately stop of wonder WTF he was doing?

Was the car reported stolen?


The response was completely OTT!

Sorry, it was not OTT, he drove off before he was told he could, he then refused to stop, for all they know he could have had a body in the boot. Their reaction was no because he wasnt wearing a seatbelt, it was beacsue he refused to stop and they had no idea what the full situation was and so act with the most force in case is is more serious then it 1st seemed. And when I see blue lights behind me, no matter how far I pull over, weather its for me or to let it past

None of what you say justifies that response.

How is their action justified, even if there was a body in the boot?
Would it have made them any less dead?

[KrazyIvan]

odyssey2200 said:

KrazyIvan said:

KrazyIvan said:

odyssey2200 said:

The guy didn't make any real attempt to escape.
The BiB followed a long way behind without making any real attempt to "pull him over"

If any of you were driving at that speed with a cop car that far behind you how many would immediately stop of wonder WTF he was doing?

Was the car reported stolen?


The response was completely OTT!

Sorry, it was not OTT, he drove off before he was told he could, he then refused to stop, for all they know he could have had a body in the boot. Their reaction was no because he wasnt wearing a seatbelt, it was beacsue he refused to stop and they had no idea what the full situation was and so act with the most force in case is is more serious then it 1st seemed. And when I see blue lights behind me, no matter how far I pull over, weather its for me or to let it past

None of what you say justifies that response.

How is their action justified, even if there was a body in the boot?
Would it have made them any less dead?

Look at it again, its really not that hard to understand, he drove off, he didnt stop for 8 miles, they had no idea why. Should they just assume that all people who refuse to stop are perfectly safe, right up until the point one of them gets shot or stabbed?

[odyssey2200]

KrazyIvan said:

odyssey2200 said:

KrazyIvan said:

KrazyIvan said:

odyssey2200 said:

The guy didn't make any real attempt to escape.
The BiB followed a long way behind without making any real attempt to "pull him over"

If any of you were driving at that speed with a cop car that far behind you how many would immediately stop of wonder WTF he was doing?

Was the car reported stolen?


The response was completely OTT!

Sorry, it was not OTT, he drove off before he was told he could, he then refused to stop, for all they know he could have had a body in the boot. Their reaction was no because he wasnt wearing a seatbelt, it was beacsue he refused to stop and they had no idea what the full situation was and so act with the most force in case is is more serious then it 1st seemed. And when I see blue lights behind me, no matter how far I pull over, weather its for me or to let it past

None of what you say justifies that response.

How is their action justified, even if there was a body in the boot?
Would it have made them any less dead?

Look at it again, its really not that hard to understand, he drove off, he didnt stop for 8 miles, they had no idea why. Should they just assume that all people who refuse to stop are perfectly safe, right up until the point one of them gets shot or stabbed?

If he was going to shoot them, he would have shot the guy smashing the window.
How would he have stabbed a guy through a closed car door?

Again your logic fails.

[KrazyIvan]

odyssey2200 said:

KrazyIvan said:

odyssey2200 said:

KrazyIvan said:

KrazyIvan said:

odyssey2200 said:

The guy didn't make any real attempt to escape.
The BiB followed a long way behind without making any real attempt to "pull him over"

If any of you were driving at that speed with a cop car that far behind you how many would immediately stop of wonder WTF he was doing?

Was the car reported stolen?


The response was completely OTT!

Sorry, it was not OTT, he drove off before he was told he could, he then refused to stop, for all they know he could have had a body in the boot. Their reaction was no because he wasnt wearing a seatbelt, it was beacsue he refused to stop and they had no idea what the full situation was and so act with the most force in case is is more serious then it 1st seemed. And when I see blue lights behind me, no matter how far I pull over, weather its for me or to let it past

None of what you say justifies that response.

How is their action justified, even if there was a body in the boot?
Would it have made them any less dead?

Look at it again, its really not that hard to understand, he drove off, he didnt stop for 8 miles, they had no idea why. Should they just assume that all people who refuse to stop are perfectly safe, right up until the point one of them gets shot or stabbed?

If he was going to shoot them, he would have shot the guy smashing the window.
How would he have stabbed a guy through a closed car door?

Again your logic fails.

Shot him through the window, this isn't the friggin movies mate, as for being stabbed through a closed door, how about when they take your line and simply tap on the window and politely ask why he refused to stop. Step out of your world and try and see it it from their point, I'll say it one last time, he didn't stop for 8 miles and they had no idea why, so they have to make the assumption that there is a good reason he was trying to avoid the police. 100's of people every week are pulled over by the police up and down the country, most stop, the ones that don't have a reason, and its not because their scared. Are you suggesting that they should assume the reason is simple and safe until they have more solid reason to belive its not a simple (safe for them) reason? At what point would they be allowed to use such force in your view?

Edited by KrazyIvan on Thursday 5th August 22:30