Complete lack of common sense?

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Glassman

22,564 posts

216 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Copper on the bonnet is a moron.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

212 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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He wouldn't get out.

He'd struck a police officer as he made off.

The windows because tinted were broken but held by the film.

Only window they knew would not have film was the windscreen.

He's previously failed to stop. Failed to give details. Threatened a police officer and had no insurance last time.

The court thought he was lying.

The video is the very last part of an entire incident.

Officers haven't been suspended but have in line with all similar allegations been placed on non front line duty

That is not a finding of guilt.

They will have to explain their actions.


Glassman

22,564 posts

216 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
The windows because tinted were broken but held by the film.

Only window they knew would not have film was the windscreen.
The windscreen is laminated. Quite a thick sandwich construction of two layers of glass held together by sheet of vinyl.

There's also a possibility that the side windows of RR were also laminated (available on the top range models). But personally, I'd take my chances on the doorglasses.

Stood on the bonnet trying to kick the windscreen is a just plain stupid. Add to this the possibility of the driver flooring the pedal while bobby is still on the bonnet. Stupid.


okgo

38,152 posts

199 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Quite.

As you said, moron is apt.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

225 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
He wouldn't get out.

He'd struck a police officer as he made off.

The windows because tinted were broken but held by the film.

Only window they knew would not have film was the windscreen.

He's previously failed to stop. Failed to give details. Threatened a police officer and had no insurance last time.

The court thought he was lying.

The video is the very last part of an entire incident.

Officers haven't been suspended but have in line with all similar allegations been placed on non front line duty

That is not a finding of guilt.

They will have to explain their actions.
Dont often agree with your posts but spot on this time. Smashing windscreen is standard practice. Probably couldnt get enough levarage on ground because vehicle is so high, so stood on bonnet. Was doing his job, fair play i say.

stitched

3,813 posts

174 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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markcoznottz said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
He wouldn't get out.

He'd struck a police officer as he made off.

The windows because tinted were broken but held by the film.

Only window they knew would not have film was the windscreen.

He's previously failed to stop. Failed to give details. Threatened a police officer and had no insurance last time.

The court thought he was lying.

The video is the very last part of an entire incident.

Officers haven't been suspended but have in line with all similar allegations been placed on non front line duty

That is not a finding of guilt.

They will have to explain their actions.
Dont often agree with your posts but spot on this time. Smashing windscreen is standard practice. Probably couldnt get enough levarage on ground because vehicle is so high, so stood on bonnet. Was doing his job, fair play i say.
Mr Whatley was found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, failing to stop for a police officer and having tinted car windows which did not conform to legal requirements but cleared of failing to stop after an accident.


If he had struck a police officer as alleged why was he not convicted for such offence?

Glassman

22,564 posts

216 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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stitched said:
If he had struck a police officer as alleged why was he not convicted for such offence?
Was it the same copper kicking his windscreen in ?

scratchchin

Flanders.

6,371 posts

209 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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okgo said:
Quite.

As you said, moron is apt.




So how would you have stopped it then? Considering your so quick to pass judgement.

Glassman

22,564 posts

216 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Flanders. said:
okgo said:
Quite.

As you said, moron is apt.




So how would you have stopped it then? Considering your so quick to pass judgement.
I would have used an apostrophe. They're fking effective when used correctly.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

210 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Flanders. said:
okgo said:
Quite.

As you said, moron is apt.




So how would you have stopped it then? Considering your so quick to pass judgement.
confused

He was already stopped.


Flanders.

6,371 posts

209 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Glassman said:
Flanders. said:
okgo said:
Quite.

As you said, moron is apt.




So how would you have stopped it then? Considering your so quick to pass judgement.
I would have used an apostrophe. They're fking effective when used correctly.



Thanks for that valid peice of information. I'll be sure to ring someone who gives a fk.

Glassman

22,564 posts

216 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Flanders. said:
Glassman said:
Flanders. said:
okgo said:
Quite.

As you said, moron is apt.




So how would you have stopped it then? Considering your so quick to pass judgement.
I would have used an apostrophe. They're fking effective when used correctly.



Thanks for that valid peice of information. I'll be sure to ring someone who gives a fk.
For your sake, I hope it's someone who knows how to stop coppers kicking in Range Rover windscreens.

Colin 1985

1,921 posts

171 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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If the guy had reversed, I imagine the first thing to hit the ground would be the coppers skull. Might knock some sense into him though.

Buzz word

2,028 posts

210 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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Glassman said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
The windows because tinted were broken but held by the film.

Only window they knew would not have film was the windscreen.
The windscreen is laminated. Quite a thick sandwich construction of two layers of glass held together by sheet of vinyl.

There's also a possibility that the side windows of RR were also laminated (available on the top range models). But personally, I'd take my chances on the doorglasses.

Stood on the bonnet trying to kick the windscreen is a just plain stupid. Add to this the possibility of the driver flooring the pedal while bobby is still on the bonnet. Stupid.
I always assumed the point in destroying a screen was not access for the reasons you mention. The point was to remove visability as they turn into a white mess. That would make lurching forward or driving off pointless as the driver couldn't see to get away.

Glassman

22,564 posts

216 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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That may well be the officer's intention, but I would like to know how they (the police force) arrived at the decision to use this technique - to break the windscreen to reduce visibility for the driver, you'd need to hit it very hard or hard with a solid object, repeatedly.

To get enough behind a kick to obliterate the glass whilst standing on the bonnet is far from easy.

dandarez

13,294 posts

284 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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I have a problem with this.

Would the same scenario happen if it had been a burly scrote, well able to handle himself, say with lots of previous, in an uninsured or stolen vehicle?

Once a vehicle is brought to a halt... stinger, whatever, the driver ain't going anywhere in this age group (unlike a young yob or scrote who would have legged it if he'd escaped) - where would the pensioner have 'walked', especially if he left his stick behind?

Or were these cops suffering from RMS (Raoul Moat Syndrome)?

Don't they realise WHY public confidence is already rock bottom?
Peel's oft quoted principle: The police are the public and the public are the police is well and truly lost on these two.

And is it 'really standard practise' to try and smash the front windscreen to prevent driver seeing, and thus escaping?
Memo to all Chief Constables, 'issue officers with a can of cheap black aerosol paint from 99p shops, to spray screens. Much quicker and far more efficient!'

Edited by dandarez on Saturday 7th August 23:55

grumbledoak

31,553 posts

234 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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dandarez said:
Once a vehicle is brought to a halt...
Are you having reading comprehension problems? He had been at a halt, eight miles previously, and driven off!

dandarez

13,294 posts

284 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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grumbledoak said:
dandarez said:
Once a vehicle is brought to a halt...
Are you having reading comprehension problems? He had been at a halt, eight miles previously, and driven off!
Ok clever dick. The kind of vehicle brought to a 'halt' after being chased, and punctured by stinger! Not the 'good evening sir, are you wearing a seat belt?' while leaving the road ahead clear for foot to the floor take off!

grumbledoak

31,553 posts

234 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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dandarez said:
Ok clever dick. The kind of vehicle brought to a 'halt' after being chased, and punctured by stinger!
The Daily Wail said:
He finally pulled over when he was confronted by a police ‘stinger’ device to puncture his tyres on the road into Usk.
tongue out

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

205 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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So i must ask how should plod deal with this.?

Imagine someone nicked your car with the keys and before you reported it were stopped by plod for no seatbelt. Plod can't identify the driver for certain and the driver then drives off.

Should they just let him go on his way?

Or should they try to stop the car and extract the driver as quickly as possible?


dandarez said:
And is it 'really standard practise' to try and smash the front windscreen to prevent driver seeing, and thus escaping?
Memo to all Chief Constables, 'issue officers with a can of cheap black aerosol paint from 99p shops, to spray screens. Much quicker and far more efficient!'
Windscreen wipers?