Complete lack of common sense?
Discussion
thinfourth2 said:
So i must ask how should plod deal with this.?
Imagine someone nicked your car with the keys and before you reported it were stopped by plod for no seatbelt. Plod can't identify the driver for certain and the driver then drives off.
Should they just let him go on his way?
Or should they try to stop the car and extract the driver as quickly as possible?
Imagine someone nicked your car with the keys and before you reported it were stopped by plod for no seatbelt. Plod can't identify the driver for certain and the driver then drives off.
Should they just let him go on his way?
Or should they try to stop the car and extract the driver as quickly as possible?
dandarez said:
And is it 'really standard practise' to try and smash the front windscreen to prevent driver seeing, and thus escaping?
Memo to all Chief Constables, 'issue officers with a can of cheap black aerosol paint from 99p shops, to spray screens. Much quicker and far more efficient!'
Windscreen wipers?Memo to all Chief Constables, 'issue officers with a can of cheap black aerosol paint from 99p shops, to spray screens. Much quicker and far more efficient!'
No go on have two.
dandarez said:
I have a problem with this.
Would the same scenario happen if it had been a burly scrote, well able to handle himself, say with lots of previous, in an uninsured or stolen vehicle?
Once a vehicle is brought to a halt... stinger, whatever, the driver ain't going anywhere in this age group (unlike a young yob or scrote who would have legged it if he'd escaped) - where would the pensioner have 'walked', especially if he left his stick behind?
Or were these cops suffering from RMS (Raoul Moat Syndrome)?
Don't they realise WHY public confidence is already rock bottom?
Peel's oft quoted principle: The police are the public and the public are the police is well and truly lost on these two.
And is it 'really standard practise' to try and smash the front windscreen to prevent driver seeing, and thus escaping?
Memo to all Chief Constables, 'issue officers with a can of cheap black aerosol paint from 99p shops, to spray screens. Much quicker and far more efficient!'
So if your 65 you're automatically nice?Would the same scenario happen if it had been a burly scrote, well able to handle himself, say with lots of previous, in an uninsured or stolen vehicle?
Once a vehicle is brought to a halt... stinger, whatever, the driver ain't going anywhere in this age group (unlike a young yob or scrote who would have legged it if he'd escaped) - where would the pensioner have 'walked', especially if he left his stick behind?
Or were these cops suffering from RMS (Raoul Moat Syndrome)?
Don't they realise WHY public confidence is already rock bottom?
Peel's oft quoted principle: The police are the public and the public are the police is well and truly lost on these two.
And is it 'really standard practise' to try and smash the front windscreen to prevent driver seeing, and thus escaping?
Memo to all Chief Constables, 'issue officers with a can of cheap black aerosol paint from 99p shops, to spray screens. Much quicker and far more efficient!'
Edited by dandarez on Saturday 7th August 23:55
Interesting view point.
One that it appears lack a bit of real world experience. However it's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
stitched said:
markcoznottz said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
He wouldn't get out.
He'd struck a police officer as he made off.
The windows because tinted were broken but held by the film.
Only window they knew would not have film was the windscreen.
He's previously failed to stop. Failed to give details. Threatened a police officer and had no insurance last time.
The court thought he was lying.
The video is the very last part of an entire incident.
Officers haven't been suspended but have in line with all similar allegations been placed on non front line duty
That is not a finding of guilt.
They will have to explain their actions.
Dont often agree with your posts but spot on this time. Smashing windscreen is standard practice. Probably couldnt get enough levarage on ground because vehicle is so high, so stood on bonnet. Was doing his job, fair play i say. He'd struck a police officer as he made off.
The windows because tinted were broken but held by the film.
Only window they knew would not have film was the windscreen.
He's previously failed to stop. Failed to give details. Threatened a police officer and had no insurance last time.
The court thought he was lying.
The video is the very last part of an entire incident.
Officers haven't been suspended but have in line with all similar allegations been placed on non front line duty
That is not a finding of guilt.
They will have to explain their actions.
If he had struck a police officer as alleged why was he not convicted for such offence?
Sunday Telegraph said:
A police officer ridiculed after he was filmed smashing his way into a disabled pensioner’s car with his truncheon could get a six-figure payout after winning his case at an employment tribunal.
Mike Baillon claimed he was forced out of his job after a “bullying campaign” by colleagues in Gwent Police, who teased him and wrote comments on his locker at the police station. The torment began after the incident appeared on YouTube, the video sharing website.
Mr Baillon, who was a constable, was one of two police officers who pulled over Robert Whatley, 74, for failing to wear a seat belt as he drove along roads near Usk in Monmouthshire, South Wales, in 2009.
Mr Whatley was seated in his car when Mr Baillon pulled out his truncheon and hit the window 15 times while his colleague climbed on to the bonnet and kicked in the windscreen of the £60,000 Range Rover. Footage of the incident was released from the dashboard camera in Mr Baillon’s police car. The video quickly went viral on the internet. Reports claimed that it was viewed more than 30 million times on YouTube.
Mr Baillon told an employment tribunal in Cardiff that he was moved from the roads unit to a local policing team after the incident.
However, the “bullying and harassment” he suffered as a result of the video forced him to resign.
The tribunal ruled that he had been unfairly dismissed from the traffic squad after writing a “whistle-blowing” letter to the force raising a number of concerns about the way his case had been handled.
The panel has yet to decide how much compensation Mr Baillon, 42, should receive, but it is likely to run to six figures because of lost earnings and pension entitlements.
The incident happened after Mr Whatley was originally pulled over by officers for a minor traffic offence but drove away before they had finished dealing with him.
He was pursued for 17 minutes along country lanes. When the car was finally brought to a halt, the video shows Mr Baillon running up to the driver’s door with his baton drawn and striking the window repeatedly. He has never publicly explained why he used such force on the vehicle.
After the incident Mr Whatley, who claimed he thought the officers were giving him a police escort home, was found guilty of not wearing a seat belt, failing to stop, using a vehicle with defective registration plates and having non-standard tinted windows.
The pensioner, who had a disabled driver’s blue badge because he was recovering from a stroke, was fined £235.
However, Mr Whatley also received £20,750 compensation from Gwent Police for the damage to his car and £45,000 in costs, the employment tribunal heard. The pensioner said at the time: “You would have thought I had robbed a bank. It’s something you might expect in America but not in the quiet of the British countryside."
Mr Baillon was investigated for potential criminal offences but no action was taken and he was later exonerated in disciplinary proceedings.
The tribunal heard that after asking to meet a senior officer, Mr Baillon was told not to go “boring people with a tale of woe as they won’t be interested in it”.
There continued to be “unpleasant comments” from other officers and Mr Baillon’s locker was defaced in February last year, leading to his resignation a few months later.
Jean Norton, of Ashfords solicitors, who represented the officer, said: “Mr Baillon and his family are incredibly relieved by the positive outcome.
“This matter has caused both him and his family undue stress and financial loss, and the team is delighted to have been able to help Mr Baillon, a conscientious and highly regarded police officer, win this victory."
StreakyMike Baillon claimed he was forced out of his job after a “bullying campaign” by colleagues in Gwent Police, who teased him and wrote comments on his locker at the police station. The torment began after the incident appeared on YouTube, the video sharing website.
Mr Baillon, who was a constable, was one of two police officers who pulled over Robert Whatley, 74, for failing to wear a seat belt as he drove along roads near Usk in Monmouthshire, South Wales, in 2009.
Mr Whatley was seated in his car when Mr Baillon pulled out his truncheon and hit the window 15 times while his colleague climbed on to the bonnet and kicked in the windscreen of the £60,000 Range Rover. Footage of the incident was released from the dashboard camera in Mr Baillon’s police car. The video quickly went viral on the internet. Reports claimed that it was viewed more than 30 million times on YouTube.
Mr Baillon told an employment tribunal in Cardiff that he was moved from the roads unit to a local policing team after the incident.
However, the “bullying and harassment” he suffered as a result of the video forced him to resign.
The tribunal ruled that he had been unfairly dismissed from the traffic squad after writing a “whistle-blowing” letter to the force raising a number of concerns about the way his case had been handled.
The panel has yet to decide how much compensation Mr Baillon, 42, should receive, but it is likely to run to six figures because of lost earnings and pension entitlements.
The incident happened after Mr Whatley was originally pulled over by officers for a minor traffic offence but drove away before they had finished dealing with him.
He was pursued for 17 minutes along country lanes. When the car was finally brought to a halt, the video shows Mr Baillon running up to the driver’s door with his baton drawn and striking the window repeatedly. He has never publicly explained why he used such force on the vehicle.
After the incident Mr Whatley, who claimed he thought the officers were giving him a police escort home, was found guilty of not wearing a seat belt, failing to stop, using a vehicle with defective registration plates and having non-standard tinted windows.
The pensioner, who had a disabled driver’s blue badge because he was recovering from a stroke, was fined £235.
However, Mr Whatley also received £20,750 compensation from Gwent Police for the damage to his car and £45,000 in costs, the employment tribunal heard. The pensioner said at the time: “You would have thought I had robbed a bank. It’s something you might expect in America but not in the quiet of the British countryside."
Mr Baillon was investigated for potential criminal offences but no action was taken and he was later exonerated in disciplinary proceedings.
The tribunal heard that after asking to meet a senior officer, Mr Baillon was told not to go “boring people with a tale of woe as they won’t be interested in it”.
There continued to be “unpleasant comments” from other officers and Mr Baillon’s locker was defaced in February last year, leading to his resignation a few months later.
Jean Norton, of Ashfords solicitors, who represented the officer, said: “Mr Baillon and his family are incredibly relieved by the positive outcome.
“This matter has caused both him and his family undue stress and financial loss, and the team is delighted to have been able to help Mr Baillon, a conscientious and highly regarded police officer, win this victory."
streaky said:
Sunday Telegraph said:
A police officer ridiculed after he was filmed smashing his way into a disabled pensioner’s car with his truncheon could get a six-figure payout after winning his case at an employment tribunal.
Mike Baillon claimed he was forced out of his job after a “bullying campaign” by colleagues in Gwent Police, who teased him and wrote comments on his locker at the police station. The torment began after the incident appeared on YouTube, the video sharing website.
Mr Baillon, who was a constable, was one of two police officers who pulled over Robert Whatley, 74, for failing to wear a seat belt as he drove along roads near Usk in Monmouthshire, South Wales, in 2009.
Mr Whatley was seated in his car when Mr Baillon pulled out his truncheon and hit the window 15 times while his colleague climbed on to the bonnet and kicked in the windscreen of the £60,000 Range Rover. Footage of the incident was released from the dashboard camera in Mr Baillon’s police car. The video quickly went viral on the internet. Reports claimed that it was viewed more than 30 million times on YouTube.
Mr Baillon told an employment tribunal in Cardiff that he was moved from the roads unit to a local policing team after the incident.
However, the “bullying and harassment” he suffered as a result of the video forced him to resign.
The tribunal ruled that he had been unfairly dismissed from the traffic squad after writing a “whistle-blowing” letter to the force raising a number of concerns about the way his case had been handled.
The panel has yet to decide how much compensation Mr Baillon, 42, should receive, but it is likely to run to six figures because of lost earnings and pension entitlements.
The incident happened after Mr Whatley was originally pulled over by officers for a minor traffic offence but drove away before they had finished dealing with him.
He was pursued for 17 minutes along country lanes. When the car was finally brought to a halt, the video shows Mr Baillon running up to the driver’s door with his baton drawn and striking the window repeatedly. He has never publicly explained why he used such force on the vehicle.
After the incident Mr Whatley, who claimed he thought the officers were giving him a police escort home, was found guilty of not wearing a seat belt, failing to stop, using a vehicle with defective registration plates and having non-standard tinted windows.
The pensioner, who had a disabled driver’s blue badge because he was recovering from a stroke, was fined £235.
However, Mr Whatley also received £20,750 compensation from Gwent Police for the damage to his car and £45,000 in costs, the employment tribunal heard. The pensioner said at the time: “You would have thought I had robbed a bank. It’s something you might expect in America but not in the quiet of the British countryside."
Mr Baillon was investigated for potential criminal offences but no action was taken and he was later exonerated in disciplinary proceedings.
The tribunal heard that after asking to meet a senior officer, Mr Baillon was told not to go “boring people with a tale of woe as they won’t be interested in it”.
There continued to be “unpleasant comments” from other officers and Mr Baillon’s locker was defaced in February last year, leading to his resignation a few months later.
Jean Norton, of Ashfords solicitors, who represented the officer, said: “Mr Baillon and his family are incredibly relieved by the positive outcome.
“This matter has caused both him and his family undue stress and financial loss, and the team is delighted to have been able to help Mr Baillon, a conscientious and highly regarded police officer, win this victory."
StreakyMike Baillon claimed he was forced out of his job after a “bullying campaign” by colleagues in Gwent Police, who teased him and wrote comments on his locker at the police station. The torment began after the incident appeared on YouTube, the video sharing website.
Mr Baillon, who was a constable, was one of two police officers who pulled over Robert Whatley, 74, for failing to wear a seat belt as he drove along roads near Usk in Monmouthshire, South Wales, in 2009.
Mr Whatley was seated in his car when Mr Baillon pulled out his truncheon and hit the window 15 times while his colleague climbed on to the bonnet and kicked in the windscreen of the £60,000 Range Rover. Footage of the incident was released from the dashboard camera in Mr Baillon’s police car. The video quickly went viral on the internet. Reports claimed that it was viewed more than 30 million times on YouTube.
Mr Baillon told an employment tribunal in Cardiff that he was moved from the roads unit to a local policing team after the incident.
However, the “bullying and harassment” he suffered as a result of the video forced him to resign.
The tribunal ruled that he had been unfairly dismissed from the traffic squad after writing a “whistle-blowing” letter to the force raising a number of concerns about the way his case had been handled.
The panel has yet to decide how much compensation Mr Baillon, 42, should receive, but it is likely to run to six figures because of lost earnings and pension entitlements.
The incident happened after Mr Whatley was originally pulled over by officers for a minor traffic offence but drove away before they had finished dealing with him.
He was pursued for 17 minutes along country lanes. When the car was finally brought to a halt, the video shows Mr Baillon running up to the driver’s door with his baton drawn and striking the window repeatedly. He has never publicly explained why he used such force on the vehicle.
After the incident Mr Whatley, who claimed he thought the officers were giving him a police escort home, was found guilty of not wearing a seat belt, failing to stop, using a vehicle with defective registration plates and having non-standard tinted windows.
The pensioner, who had a disabled driver’s blue badge because he was recovering from a stroke, was fined £235.
However, Mr Whatley also received £20,750 compensation from Gwent Police for the damage to his car and £45,000 in costs, the employment tribunal heard. The pensioner said at the time: “You would have thought I had robbed a bank. It’s something you might expect in America but not in the quiet of the British countryside."
Mr Baillon was investigated for potential criminal offences but no action was taken and he was later exonerated in disciplinary proceedings.
The tribunal heard that after asking to meet a senior officer, Mr Baillon was told not to go “boring people with a tale of woe as they won’t be interested in it”.
There continued to be “unpleasant comments” from other officers and Mr Baillon’s locker was defaced in February last year, leading to his resignation a few months later.
Jean Norton, of Ashfords solicitors, who represented the officer, said: “Mr Baillon and his family are incredibly relieved by the positive outcome.
“This matter has caused both him and his family undue stress and financial loss, and the team is delighted to have been able to help Mr Baillon, a conscientious and highly regarded police officer, win this victory."
ked...Man commits crime, and fails to stop.
Man gets fined £235
Man gets payout of 65k due to damage to his car during forced stop.
Policeman in line for 100000k + pay out for hurt feelings
Did I miss any thing? The next question is how do I get on this compensation gravy train?
Only a couple of dozen viewings so far of this much longer video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DRNeTgFsM&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DRNeTgFsM&fea...
Prak said:
Only a couple of dozen viewings so far of this much longer video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DRNeTgFsM&fea...
fhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DRNeTgFsM&fea...
ktard RR driver lost all rights to complain at the timestamp 18:38.43"Giving him an escort home" - what a load of twaddle, he knew exactly what he was doing - how on earth this idiot was awarded £65k of OUR money is beyond me
I have more sympathy for the officer
98elise said:
This country is fked...
Man commits crime, and fails to stop.
Man gets fined £235
Man gets payout of 65k due to damage to his car during forced stop.
Policeman in line for 100000k + pay out for hurt feelings
Did I miss any thing? The next question is how do I get on this compensation gravy train?
In my view, everyone involved has acted like utter cretins. Then they've been handsomely rewarded for it.ked...Man commits crime, and fails to stop.
Man gets fined £235
Man gets payout of 65k due to damage to his car during forced stop.
Policeman in line for 100000k + pay out for hurt feelings
Did I miss any thing? The next question is how do I get on this compensation gravy train?
Where do I sign up?
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