Trapped Chilean miners found alive, but...

[Silent1]

I could have rescued them, I'm a minecraft veteran

[Joecooool]

FamilyGuy said:

I'm confused. From what the BBC say it was a US built drill operated by Americans that made the escape shaft. So how come the Chillians are claiming all the credit and I've not heard a single word of thanks for the US?

Because thanking the United States for anything is political suicide.

[jmorgan]

Vipers said:

Do tell tell me, all it needed was one reporter, one camerman, one laptop, so why £100,000? even with first class flights, which I have no problems with at all.

The BBC should explain this to the licence paying public.

Add satellite uplink and staff. Fuel for geny if shore power not available. I assume the mine provided some without knowing the situation? No shore power, taxi and jerry can or a runner to go get. Space segment when every one and his uplink is sniffing for a bird.

[thinfourth2]

Do you think we could carry out the same rescue in the UK?


I think there would be far too much bikkering, meetings, back stabbing, finger pointing and red tape before we could even have the meeting that decides we are going to have a meeting about deciding what we are going to call the committee that is going to decide on the rescue

[qube_TA]

I think that we'd have gotten them out, however if it was a Russian mine then they'd all be fked.

[Vipers]

thinfourth2 said:

Do you think we could carry out the same rescue in the UK?


I think there would be far too much bikkering, meetings, back stabbing, finger pointing and red tape before we could even have the meeting that decides we are going to have a meeting about deciding what we are going to call the committee that is going to decide on the rescue

Elf n safety would find a way of stopping it.

[RichB]

qube_TA said:

I think that we'd have gotten them out, however if it was a Russian mine then they'd all be fked.

What, the Americans?

[qube_TA]

Russians don't have much of a great track record of rescuing their own.

[RichB]

Yep, when you said we I assume you're american?

[qube_TA]

Nope, it was in response to TF's post about whether if it had happened in the UK, whether we could have gotten them out.

[tinman0]

jmorgan said:

Add satellite uplink and staff. Fuel for geny if shore power not available. I assume the mine provided some without knowing the situation? No shore power, taxi and jerry can or a runner to go get. Space segment when every one and his uplink is sniffing for a bird.

So, how did all the other media companies get away with less than 30 people if they all had to do the same thing as above?

Doesn't matter how you look at it, the BBC over produced the whole thing as per normal.

(Frankly, I'm surprised that 30 people on month long Chile vacation assignment only cost £100k. £3k each? Barely covers the cost of the flights.)

[Jim the Sunderer]

FamilyGuy said:

I'm confused. From what the BBC say it was a US built drill operated by Americans that made the escape shaft. So how come the Chillians are claiming all the credit and I've not heard a single word of thanks for the US?

Americans done it? Never in this world, they would have dropped grenades down the shaft.

[tinman0]

Jim the Sunderer said:

FamilyGuy said:

I'm confused. From what the BBC say it was a US built drill operated by Americans that made the escape shaft. So how come the Chillians are claiming all the credit and I've not heard a single word of thanks for the US?

Americans done it? Never in this world, they would have dropped grenades down the shaft.

I read somewhere on this thread that CNN had an interview with Barry, and he was taking all the credit. He's not shy is Barry.

[Vipers]

thinfourth2 said:

Do you think we could carry out the same rescue in the UK?


I think there would be far too much bikkering, meetings, back stabbing, finger pointing and red tape before we could even have the meeting that decides we are going to have a meeting about deciding what we are going to call the committee that is going to decide on the rescue

I think Little John in the Daily Mail sums that question up with :-

[b] Under our modern elf 'n' safety culture, the emergency services are actively discouraged from risking their own lives to save others.

During the floods two years ago, for instance, rescue workers stood aside and watched a man drown in a storm drain because it was "too dangerous" to try to rescue him.

If these Chilean miners had been British, they'd probably still be down there [b]

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Edited by Vipers on Friday 15th October 14:24

[RichB]

Vipers said:

I think Little John in the Daily Mail sums that question up with :

...During the floods two years ago, for instance, rescue workers stood aside and watched a man drown in a storm drain because it was "too dangerous" to try to rescue him.

And yet I can also vividly remember TV images of rescue workers struggling in the dark, in treacherous water with a guy trapped in the floods for several hours. I cannot recollect if they were successful but I think it's a Daily Mail trait to want to portray the worst of everything British.

[Vipers]

RichB said:

Vipers said:

I think Little John in the Daily Mail sums that question up with :

...During the floods two years ago, for instance, rescue workers stood aside and watched a man drown in a storm drain because it was "too dangerous" to try to rescue him.

And yet I can also vividly remember TV images of rescue workers struggling in the dark, in treacherous water with a guy trapped in the floods for several hours. I cannot recollect if they were successful but I think it's a Daily Mail trait to want to portray the worst of everything British.

The papers only print the bad ones I guess, no doubt it happened, but they don't tell all the facts as we know.

I always remember some time ago reading a paper, with a little article stating:-

A man set himself alight and ran screeming into the Metro on Paris.

Another paper same day said :-

A man filling his motorbike with petrol, caught alight, and ran screeming into the Metro in Paris.

Different slant, same story.

Edited by Vipers on Friday 15th October 15:35

[jmorgan]

tinman0 said:

jmorgan said:

Add satellite uplink and staff. Fuel for geny if shore power not available. I assume the mine provided some without knowing the situation? No shore power, taxi and jerry can or a runner to go get. Space segment when every one and his uplink is sniffing for a bird.

So, how did all the other media companies get away with less than 30 people if they all had to do the same thing as above?

Doesn't matter how you look at it, the BBC over produced the whole thing as per normal.

(Frankly, I'm surprised that 30 people on month long Chile vacation assignment only cost £100k. £3k each? Barely covers the cost of the flights.)

Wasn't making excuses for the numbers, just the lap top.

[Tiggsy]

Vipers said:

I think Little John in the Daily Mail sums that question up with :-

[b] Under our modern elf 'n' safety culture, the emergency services are actively discouraged from risking their own lives to save others.

During the floods two years ago, for instance, rescue workers stood aside and watched a man drown in a storm drain because it was "too dangerous" to try to rescue him.

If these Chilean miners had been British, they'd probably still be down there [b]

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Edited by Vipers on Friday 15th October 14:24

To sides to every story, the flip side of this one is Littlejohn is a tt.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-502302/Eme...

Edited by Vipers on Friday 15th October 14:24[/footnote]

[footnote]Edited by Tiggsy on Saturday 16th October 00:46

[Vipers]

Tiggsy said:

Vipers said:

I think Little John in the Daily Mail sums that question up with :-

[b] Under our modern elf 'n' safety culture, the emergency services are actively discouraged from risking their own lives to save others.

During the floods two years ago, for instance, rescue workers stood aside and watched a man drown in a storm drain because it was "too dangerous" to try to rescue him.

If these Chilean miners had been British, they'd probably still be down there [b]

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Edited by Vipers on Friday 15th October 14:24

To sides to every story, the flip side of this one is Littlejohn is a tt.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-502302/Eme...

Edited by Vipers on Friday 15th October 14:24[/footnote]

[footnote]Edited by Tiggsy on Saturday 16th October 00:46

Well I have to agree with you on that one, he is a tt as you say.

[Tiggsy]

IS it just me or is the Chilean President not getting a bit smug about this? He's going around as though Chile is now a global player! He even said "people now have a far better respect for my country"....he's even giving our Queen a lump of rock from the mine.

Now I dont know much about Chile....but my assumption, from I have seen in the last few days, is that it's a third world st hole were miners work in grim conditions with no decent safety.....but they can drill long holes. While a long hole is a very handy, it's no ipad is it!

And why is he giving the Queen a lump of st from the bottom of some nasty death trap hell hole his country allowed to exist and threaten the lives of the people who worked there? What next, BP role up with a dead seagull for Prince Charles?

Chile....now famous, but still sucks.