Strike - Moral Dilemma?

[NoNeed]

Pupp said:

Corsair7 said:

Fuk them, seruiously, the tax payer funds their pension. Fuk them.

Er, no they don't. The licence payer does (there's a difference)

But fuk 'em anyway

How many of these employees actually turned down the above inflation pay awards, oversized saleries and all the expense perks over the last ten years, in order for the employer to increase pension contributions and resolve the deficit?
In fact how many of the employers even warned there was a problem and cut back pay and spending as a result?

Answer= none they were all enjoying riding on the gravy train.


So I too say fk em.

[Pupp]

NoNeed said:

Pupp said:

Corsair7 said:

Fuk them, seruiously, the tax payer funds their pension. Fuk them.

Er, no they don't. The licence payer does (there's a difference)

But fuk 'em anyway

How many of these employees actually turned down the above inflation pay awards, oversized saleries and all the expense perks over the last ten years, in order for the employer to increase pension contributions and resolve the deficit?
In fact how many of the employers even warned there was a problem and cut back pay and spending as a result?

Answer= none they were all enjoying riding on the gravy train.


So I too say fk em.

And you'd have done any different if in their shoes?

[NoNeed]

Pupp said:

NoNeed said:

Pupp said:

Corsair7 said:

Fuk them, seruiously, the tax payer funds their pension. Fuk them.

Er, no they don't. The licence payer does (there's a difference)

But fuk 'em anyway

How many of these employees actually turned down the above inflation pay awards, oversized saleries and all the expense perks over the last ten years, in order for the employer to increase pension contributions and resolve the deficit?
In fact how many of the employers even warned there was a problem and cut back pay and spending as a result?

Answer= none they were all enjoying riding on the gravy train.


So I too say fk em.

And you'd have done any different if in their shoes?

Absolutely not, I would have enjoyed it too. But I certainly wouldn't be moaning and bhing about it now and definitly wouldn't even contemplate striking over it.

[Corsair7]

Pupp said:

Corsair7 said:

Fuk them, seruiously, the tax payer funds their pension. Fuk them.

Er, no they don't. The licence payer does (there's a difference)

But fuk 'em anyway

License fee = Taxation. the difference to me is so minimal that it doesnt count.

They put people oin prison for Tax evasion, and they do the same for people that dont pay their license fee when they should too.

[IanMorewood]

Offer to cover any shifts where the work shy lefties are absent.

[Somewhatfoolish]

Corsair7 said:

Pupp said:

Corsair7 said:

Fuk them, seruiously, the tax payer funds their pension. Fuk them.

Er, no they don't. The licence payer does (there's a difference)

But fuk 'em anyway

License fee = Taxation. the difference to me is so minimal that it doesnt count.

They put people oin prison for Tax evasion, and they do the same for people that dont pay their license fee when they should too.

The licence fee is a tax. Anyone who says otherwise is using a fairly perverse defenition of tax.

[davepoth]

more of a levy than a tax really.



Frankly most of the unions who are threatening to strike are a load of whiners. The Trade Union movement made some great strides towards getting workers a fair deal. ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

What they haven't twigged is that, if you keep on asking for more, and striking if you don't get what you want, you destroy the job you were aiming to protect. Red Robbo is a great example of this. A shop steward at BL in the 70s, who is estimated, by the number of strikes he called, to have cost BL somewhere around £200 million pounds. Prat.

Definitely go to work.

[Tommy Winchester]

uuf361 said:

Work........I'm not a huge fan of strikes - if you don't like the terms of your job find another one where you do.

What that man said.

[markcoznottz]

NoNeed said:

Pupp said:

NoNeed said:

Pupp said:

Corsair7 said:

Fuk them, seruiously, the tax payer funds their pension. Fuk them.

Er, no they don't. The licence payer does (there's a difference)

But fuk 'em anyway

How many of these employees actually turned down the above inflation pay awards, oversized saleries and all the expense perks over the last ten years, in order for the employer to increase pension contributions and resolve the deficit?
In fact how many of the employers even warned there was a problem and cut back pay and spending as a result?

Answer= none they were all enjoying riding on the gravy train.


So I too say fk em.

And you'd have done any different if in their shoes?

Absolutely not, I would have enjoyed it too. But I certainly wouldn't be moaning and bhing about it now and definitly wouldn't even contemplate striking over it.

Yep. The fairground ride is over. Uk government debt interest is shooting up, THERE IS NO MORE MONEY, you have to know when to leave the roulette table. Very cynical behahiour.

[anonymous-user]

Does anyone know the exact nature of the dispute?

[NoNeed]

el stovey said:

Does anyone know the exact nature of the dispute?

I'm not aware of all the facts but the lefties at the BBC want to strike during the spending review so that it gets no TV coverage.
http://www.financialadvice.co.uk/news/tax/89935-bb...

[Silent1]

NoNeed said:

el stovey said:

Does anyone know the exact nature of the dispute?

I'm not aware of all the facts but the lefties at the BBC want to strike during the spending review so that it gets no TV coverage.
http://www.financialadvice.co.uk/news/tax/89935-bb...

SKY are covering it surely?

[v8 westy]

Silent1 said:

NoNeed said:

el stovey said:

Does anyone know the exact nature of the dispute?

I'm not aware of all the facts but the lefties at the BBC want to strike during the spending review so that it gets no TV coverage.
http://www.financialadvice.co.uk/news/tax/89935-bb...

SKY are covering it surely?

and itv etc. the commies at the beeb are so insular they dont seem to notice that all they will do is expose thier massive bias towards labour, news is available without the beeb and its licence fee, the lazy feckers pinch most of thier news coverage off the internet anyway, they are stuck in the 70s and the licence fee should be scrapped

[Blue Meanie]

dibbers006 said:

Could we just clarify the PH position on this matter as it seems a little hazy.

Unions.. Nice idea, woeful implementation. It's essentially blackmail. As someone said, if you don;t like the terms of your contract, go elsewhere.

[MikeyT]

I had to cross a picket line as a freelancer in the early 80s at a publishing co I was working at when the nobbers with the cushy full-time jobs were called out by the NUJ and NGA.

Didn't bother me as I would have lost out moneywise and didn't want that. Plus the strikers didn't really mind as they understood my situation.

"Ooo, you'll never get any work through as it won't have a stamp on it" they said. But their boss used one of their NGA stamps and filled in their nos. anyway .... there's always ways round situations!

So feck 'em as others have said

[DJC]

Where is the problem?

Go to work as usual.

[Parrot of Doom]

croyde said:

I am Freelance and one of my regular clients has asked me if I can work certain dates that the staff will be on strike.

I have not talked to them yet and I won't say what I think but I just wondered what the PH collective thought.

It's BBC workers striking over pensions BTW.

Seriously, I'm in the same industry and I say bks to them. The BBC are generally a good lot, however, over the last few years they've seriously taken the piss with freelancer rates. They employ 3-month contract producer/directors to shoot material that previously would have required a cameraman and soundman (and the difference is marked, trust me). They won't pay BECTU or industry-standard rates, instead quoting silly numbers that I was working for ten years ago.

So bks to them. Charge more, for crossing a picket line, and if any of them whinge, ask them when their last pay raise was, and why freelancers haven't seen similar raises for ten years or more.

[Parrot of Doom]

croyde said:

I have said yes to the work and, as it is always these days, it's a PENCIL so no definite job and it can go away the day before with no cancellation fee.

fk that. Cancelled within 24 hours of the start date? Charge them.

[7thCircleAcolyte]

BOR said:

Do not ever, ever, cross a picket line. If you disagree with the strike, take it up with the strikers rather than sucking down on management cock.

If the BBC management can bring in people who can work through the strike, then what little leverage the strikers have is destroyed. Do you want to be responsible for that? The balance of power will shift wholly to the corporate wes who run the BBC, and they will be able to treat the employees however badly they like, if you give them that power.

Are you going to give them that power ?

I've happily crossed picket lines in the 90s but now work with professionals so the issue no longer arises.

Strikes are blackmail, nothing else. Blackmail is illegal and morally reprehensible.

I'm with PH - fk 'em.

[Einion Yrth]

7thCircleAcolyte said:

BOR said:

Do not ever, ever, cross a picket line. If you disagree with the strike, take it up with the strikers rather than sucking down on management cock.

If the BBC management can bring in people who can work through the strike, then what little leverage the strikers have is destroyed. Do you want to be responsible for that? The balance of power will shift wholly to the corporate wes who run the BBC, and they will be able to treat the employees however badly they like, if you give them that power.

Are you going to give them that power ?

I've happily crossed picket lines in the 90s but now work with professionals so the issue no longer arises.

Strikes are blackmail, nothing else. Blackmail is illegal and morally reprehensible.

I'm with PH - fk 'em.

And picketing is pure intimidation.


One more on the "fk 'em" list.