Man arrested for swallowing a goldfish.
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Jinx said:
Nonsense, merely anthropomorphising stimulus (or lack of in this case) response. Tomatoes also exhibit signs of stress when picked from the vine - care to elaborate how to kill tomatoes humanely?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article876498.ecehttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/free-...
I am not alone in my views...... It is not exactly rocket science to suggest that fish feel pain.
Tomatoes are a poor attempt at a smokescreen.
Edited by Jasandjules on Monday 27th September 19:21
Jasandjules said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article87...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/free-...
I am not alone in my views...... It is not exactly rocket science to suggest that fish feel pain.
Tomatoes are a poor attempt at a smokescreen.
All organisms experience suffering it is the defining qualification of life.
So no, the tomato comment is not a smokescreen it is merely an extension of the morality you are attempting to highlight.
Jinx said:
So no, the tomato comment is not a smokescreen it is merely an extension of the morality you are attempting to highlight.
But a tomato does not have pain receptors etc. so it is somewhat pointless as an example. You do not deny that fish feel pain nor that they suffer in this way.I mean, where do we draw the line? Bacteria? Or going the other way, shall we simply suffocate humans to despatch them in state executions? Or in parallel, perhaps we can beat cows to death with baseball bats in the slaughterhouse?
The facts are simple, fish feel pain, and suffocating them is not a humane way to kill them. I do not therefore agree with the way they are killed.
pokethepope][Serious Hat said:
What would have happened to the fish? Presumably stomach acid would kill it, how long would this take? And how painful would it be when the bloke s
ts out all the sharp little bones?
Lack of oxygen, stress or being crushed would be my best guess. I would think you would probably just digest the bones like with most fish bones.ts out all the sharp little bones?It does seem a bit in poor taste. I can understand why the RSPCA would want to reduce the amount of videos of small animals being killed on youtube.
The argument of "its only a fish" still stands though I guess.
Jasandjules said:
Jinx said:
So no, the tomato comment is not a smokescreen it is merely an extension of the morality you are attempting to highlight.
But a tomato does not have pain receptors etc. so it is somewhat pointless as an example. You do not deny that fish feel pain nor that they suffer in this way.I mean, where do we draw the line? Bacteria? Or going the other way, shall we simply suffocate humans to despatch them in state executions? Or in parallel, perhaps we can beat cows to death with baseball bats in the slaughterhouse?
The facts are simple, fish feel pain, and suffocating them is not a humane way to kill them. I do not therefore agree with the way they are killed.
Is there also not a moral obligation to reduce the suffering and fear irrespective of species when we are able to do so? Especially if it is entirely unnecessary as in this instance.
The RSPCA strike again.
This young man now has a criminal record simply for being an idiot. The fish didn't die - I don't see much 'public interest' in such prosecutions.
This young man now has a criminal record simply for being an idiot. The fish didn't die - I don't see much 'public interest' in such prosecutions.
Telegraph said:
NekNomination fish survived regurgitation, court hears
Man fined for downing fish in social media dare, as court hears he may not have broken the law if he used an octopus
A man has been fined for downing and regurgitating two goldfish in NekNomination dare, despite the fact that the animals are still alive today.
Jack Blowers was sober when he went to a local shop to buy the fish, Lowestoft Magistrates' Court in Suffolk heard.
The 20-year-old was filmed setting up a pint-sized aquarium, complete with gravel and fish food, in a glass before drinking it in one go.
The clip, which was uploaded to Facebook, goes on to show him vomiting up the contents of the glass into a toilet. He then rescued the fish and took them to his grandmother's house, where he put them in her fish bowl.
They survived and are still alive today, prosecutor Kevin Batch said.
However, Mr Batch said the RSPCA prosecution was in the public interest because of the level of ''pre-meditation'' involved.
Blowers' lawyer said he did not realise what he did was illegal.
Richard Mann, mitigating, said: ''He knew that we all eat fish, we boil lobsters alive and things like that.
''Looking into the law, if he had done this with an octopus or something without vertebrae, this would not have been an illegal act.''
Blowers, from Lowestoft, pleaded guilty to failing to protect the fish from suffering and failing to meeting their needs on February 8 this year.
Mr Batch said: ''This case involves the current craze of Neknominate.
''The problem with this craze is that more often or not the next nomination has to be more extreme than the previous nomination.
''In this case the nomination was clearly to drink two goldfish.''
A vet's report presented to the magistrates confirmed that the fish would have suffered.
Blowers' friend, Joseph Meikle, 20, also from Lowestoft, filmed the stunt and has since accepted a caution.
Chair of the bench Philip Key fined Blowers £200 and ordered him to pay legal costs of £600. He also disqualified him from keeping animals for 12 months.
He told him: ''You bought two goldfish with the sole intention of drinking them a putting them on social media.
''If you do become known for this in future, you've only got yourself to blame.
''We believe this was cruel, reckless and stupid.''
Outside court, Blowers said he had not given the fish names.
He added: ''I will see them again if I'm round my Nan's house.
''It was a stupid prank which has cost me a lot of money. I won't do it again but my family are glad I didn't do it with alcohol.''
Neknomination is a viral craze which involves friends encouraging one another to drink something, often alcohol, before passing on the dare to three others.
In June, Robert Atkinson, 20, was filmed buying a goldfish and taking it to a fast food outlet in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, before dropping it into a pint of beer and downing it.
He was banned from keeping animals and fined £723 after admitting inflicting unnecessary harm to a protected animal.
Two months earlier, Gavin Hope, 22, from Gateshead, was fined £300 after swallowing a live goldfish in a Neknomination challenge.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10986859/NekNomination-fish-survived-regurgitation-court-hears.htmlMan fined for downing fish in social media dare, as court hears he may not have broken the law if he used an octopus
A man has been fined for downing and regurgitating two goldfish in NekNomination dare, despite the fact that the animals are still alive today.
Jack Blowers was sober when he went to a local shop to buy the fish, Lowestoft Magistrates' Court in Suffolk heard.
The 20-year-old was filmed setting up a pint-sized aquarium, complete with gravel and fish food, in a glass before drinking it in one go.
The clip, which was uploaded to Facebook, goes on to show him vomiting up the contents of the glass into a toilet. He then rescued the fish and took them to his grandmother's house, where he put them in her fish bowl.
They survived and are still alive today, prosecutor Kevin Batch said.
However, Mr Batch said the RSPCA prosecution was in the public interest because of the level of ''pre-meditation'' involved.
Blowers' lawyer said he did not realise what he did was illegal.
Richard Mann, mitigating, said: ''He knew that we all eat fish, we boil lobsters alive and things like that.
''Looking into the law, if he had done this with an octopus or something without vertebrae, this would not have been an illegal act.''
Blowers, from Lowestoft, pleaded guilty to failing to protect the fish from suffering and failing to meeting their needs on February 8 this year.
Mr Batch said: ''This case involves the current craze of Neknominate.
''The problem with this craze is that more often or not the next nomination has to be more extreme than the previous nomination.
''In this case the nomination was clearly to drink two goldfish.''
A vet's report presented to the magistrates confirmed that the fish would have suffered.
Blowers' friend, Joseph Meikle, 20, also from Lowestoft, filmed the stunt and has since accepted a caution.
Chair of the bench Philip Key fined Blowers £200 and ordered him to pay legal costs of £600. He also disqualified him from keeping animals for 12 months.
He told him: ''You bought two goldfish with the sole intention of drinking them a putting them on social media.
''If you do become known for this in future, you've only got yourself to blame.
''We believe this was cruel, reckless and stupid.''
Outside court, Blowers said he had not given the fish names.
He added: ''I will see them again if I'm round my Nan's house.
''It was a stupid prank which has cost me a lot of money. I won't do it again but my family are glad I didn't do it with alcohol.''
Neknomination is a viral craze which involves friends encouraging one another to drink something, often alcohol, before passing on the dare to three others.
In June, Robert Atkinson, 20, was filmed buying a goldfish and taking it to a fast food outlet in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, before dropping it into a pint of beer and downing it.
He was banned from keeping animals and fined £723 after admitting inflicting unnecessary harm to a protected animal.
Two months earlier, Gavin Hope, 22, from Gateshead, was fined £300 after swallowing a live goldfish in a Neknomination challenge.
Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 24th July 13:06
Jasandjules said:
But a tomato does not have pain receptors etc. so it is somewhat pointless as an example. You do not deny that fish feel pain nor that they suffer in this way.
What about insects and arachnids.Billions of these are poisoned, electrocuted, trapped, swatted, crushed, splatted on car windscreens, screamed at loudly.........every single year.
Do we extend 'animal rights' to these too? It's hard to argue that these creatures dont also have pain receptors.
What complexity of creature do we draw the line?
Yes I agree that this stunt was in very bad taste......and I wouldn't want any creature to suffer unnecessarily (except wasps - they can f#ck off) - but at the end of the day it is just a goldfish. Billions of similarly sized fish meet similarly gruesome ends every day in the rivers and oceans of the world.
How does it serve the public interest to prosecute a case like this - and what precedent does it set? Will I get arrested for pulling out my can of Raid?
BlackLabel said:
The RSPCA strike again.
This young man now has a criminal record simply for being an idiot. The fish didn't die - I don't see much 'public interest' in such prosecutions.
Well I for one am glad people like this are prosecuted (and the one from the original post back in 2010). Not just because of the fish, but because what kind of fThis young man now has a criminal record simply for being an idiot. The fish didn't die - I don't see much 'public interest' in such prosecutions.
Telegraph said:
NekNomination fish survived regurgitation, court hears
Man fined for downing fish in social media dare, as court hears he may not have broken the law if he used an octopus
A man has been fined for downing and regurgitating two goldfish in NekNomination dare, despite the fact that the animals are still alive today.
Jack Blowers was sober when he went to a local shop to buy the fish, Lowestoft Magistrates' Court in Suffolk heard.
The 20-year-old was filmed setting up a pint-sized aquarium, complete with gravel and fish food, in a glass before drinking it in one go.
The clip, which was uploaded to Facebook, goes on to show him vomiting up the contents of the glass into a toilet. He then rescued the fish and took them to his grandmother's house, where he put them in her fish bowl.
They survived and are still alive today, prosecutor Kevin Batch said.
However, Mr Batch said the RSPCA prosecution was in the public interest because of the level of ''pre-meditation'' involved.
Blowers' lawyer said he did not realise what he did was illegal.
Richard Mann, mitigating, said: ''He knew that we all eat fish, we boil lobsters alive and things like that.
''Looking into the law, if he had done this with an octopus or something without vertebrae, this would not have been an illegal act.''
Blowers, from Lowestoft, pleaded guilty to failing to protect the fish from suffering and failing to meeting their needs on February 8 this year.
Mr Batch said: ''This case involves the current craze of Neknominate.
''The problem with this craze is that more often or not the next nomination has to be more extreme than the previous nomination.
''In this case the nomination was clearly to drink two goldfish.''
A vet's report presented to the magistrates confirmed that the fish would have suffered.
Blowers' friend, Joseph Meikle, 20, also from Lowestoft, filmed the stunt and has since accepted a caution.
Chair of the bench Philip Key fined Blowers £200 and ordered him to pay legal costs of £600. He also disqualified him from keeping animals for 12 months.
He told him: ''You bought two goldfish with the sole intention of drinking them a putting them on social media.
''If you do become known for this in future, you've only got yourself to blame.
''We believe this was cruel, reckless and stupid.''
Outside court, Blowers said he had not given the fish names.
He added: ''I will see them again if I'm round my Nan's house.
''It was a stupid prank which has cost me a lot of money. I won't do it again but my family are glad I didn't do it with alcohol.''
Neknomination is a viral craze which involves friends encouraging one another to drink something, often alcohol, before passing on the dare to three others.
In June, Robert Atkinson, 20, was filmed buying a goldfish and taking it to a fast food outlet in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, before dropping it into a pint of beer and downing it.
He was banned from keeping animals and fined £723 after admitting inflicting unnecessary harm to a protected animal.
Two months earlier, Gavin Hope, 22, from Gateshead, was fined £300 after swallowing a live goldfish in a Neknomination challenge.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10986859/NekNomination-fish-survived-regurgitation-court-hears.htmlMan fined for downing fish in social media dare, as court hears he may not have broken the law if he used an octopus
A man has been fined for downing and regurgitating two goldfish in NekNomination dare, despite the fact that the animals are still alive today.
Jack Blowers was sober when he went to a local shop to buy the fish, Lowestoft Magistrates' Court in Suffolk heard.
The 20-year-old was filmed setting up a pint-sized aquarium, complete with gravel and fish food, in a glass before drinking it in one go.
The clip, which was uploaded to Facebook, goes on to show him vomiting up the contents of the glass into a toilet. He then rescued the fish and took them to his grandmother's house, where he put them in her fish bowl.
They survived and are still alive today, prosecutor Kevin Batch said.
However, Mr Batch said the RSPCA prosecution was in the public interest because of the level of ''pre-meditation'' involved.
Blowers' lawyer said he did not realise what he did was illegal.
Richard Mann, mitigating, said: ''He knew that we all eat fish, we boil lobsters alive and things like that.
''Looking into the law, if he had done this with an octopus or something without vertebrae, this would not have been an illegal act.''
Blowers, from Lowestoft, pleaded guilty to failing to protect the fish from suffering and failing to meeting their needs on February 8 this year.
Mr Batch said: ''This case involves the current craze of Neknominate.
''The problem with this craze is that more often or not the next nomination has to be more extreme than the previous nomination.
''In this case the nomination was clearly to drink two goldfish.''
A vet's report presented to the magistrates confirmed that the fish would have suffered.
Blowers' friend, Joseph Meikle, 20, also from Lowestoft, filmed the stunt and has since accepted a caution.
Chair of the bench Philip Key fined Blowers £200 and ordered him to pay legal costs of £600. He also disqualified him from keeping animals for 12 months.
He told him: ''You bought two goldfish with the sole intention of drinking them a putting them on social media.
''If you do become known for this in future, you've only got yourself to blame.
''We believe this was cruel, reckless and stupid.''
Outside court, Blowers said he had not given the fish names.
He added: ''I will see them again if I'm round my Nan's house.
''It was a stupid prank which has cost me a lot of money. I won't do it again but my family are glad I didn't do it with alcohol.''
Neknomination is a viral craze which involves friends encouraging one another to drink something, often alcohol, before passing on the dare to three others.
In June, Robert Atkinson, 20, was filmed buying a goldfish and taking it to a fast food outlet in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, before dropping it into a pint of beer and downing it.
He was banned from keeping animals and fined £723 after admitting inflicting unnecessary harm to a protected animal.
Two months earlier, Gavin Hope, 22, from Gateshead, was fined £300 after swallowing a live goldfish in a Neknomination challenge.
Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 24th July 13:06
kwit moron would do something as stupid as this. Name and shame I say. It's almost like they are prosecuting them for being a complete . Triumph Man said:
Well I for one am glad people like this are prosecuted (and the one from the original post back in 2010). Not just because of the fish, but because what kind of fkwit moron would do something as stupid as this. Name and shame I say. It's almost like they are prosecuting them for being a complete .
Unfortunately there is no law against being a kwit moron would do something as stupid as this. Name and shame I say. It's almost like they are prosecuting them for being a complete . . If there was and we locked them all up - it would put Audi out of business. 
Weird world.
You can eat fish legally and police and solicitors do every day.
You can go fishing and kill fish with a hook as people have been doing for years.
You cannot, however, eat a live fish even though it will be as dead as any other fish once in your stomach.
A restaurant can boil lobsters and people kill cows every day.
Strange old world.
You can eat fish legally and police and solicitors do every day.
You can go fishing and kill fish with a hook as people have been doing for years.
You cannot, however, eat a live fish even though it will be as dead as any other fish once in your stomach.
A restaurant can boil lobsters and people kill cows every day.
Strange old world.
Moonhawk said:
Jasandjules said:
But a tomato does not have pain receptors etc. so it is somewhat pointless as an example. You do not deny that fish feel pain nor that they suffer in this way.
What about insects and arachnids.Billions of these are poisoned, electrocuted, trapped, swatted, crushed, splatted on car windscreens, screamed at loudly.........every single year.
Do we extend 'animal rights' to these too? It's hard to argue that these creatures dont also have pain receptors.
What complexity of creature do we draw the line?
Yes I agree that this stunt was in very bad taste......and I wouldn't want any creature to suffer unnecessarily (except wasps - they can f#ck off) - but at the end of the day it is just a goldfish. Billions of similarly sized fish meet similarly gruesome ends every day in the rivers and oceans of the world.
How does it serve the public interest to prosecute a case like this - and what precedent does it set? Will I get arrested for pulling out my can of Raid?
Also rat poison, pest killer etc.
BlackLabel said:
The RSPCA strike again.
This young man now has a criminal record simply for being an idiot. The fish didn't die - I don't see much 'public interest' in such prosecutions.
That article will have men the world over thanking their lucky stars that the human penis doesn't have vertebra. This young man now has a criminal record simply for being an idiot. The fish didn't die - I don't see much 'public interest' in such prosecutions.
Telegraph said:
NekNomination fish survived regurgitation, court hears
Man fined for downing fish in social media dare, as court hears he may not have broken the law if he used an octopus
A man has been fined for downing and regurgitating two goldfish in NekNomination dare, despite the fact that the animals are still alive today.
Jack Blowers was sober when he went to a local shop to buy the fish, Lowestoft Magistrates' Court in Suffolk heard.
The 20-year-old was filmed setting up a pint-sized aquarium, complete with gravel and fish food, in a glass before drinking it in one go.
The clip, which was uploaded to Facebook, goes on to show him vomiting up the contents of the glass into a toilet. He then rescued the fish and took them to his grandmother's house, where he put them in her fish bowl.
They survived and are still alive today, prosecutor Kevin Batch said.
However, Mr Batch said the RSPCA prosecution was in the public interest because of the level of ''pre-meditation'' involved.
Blowers' lawyer said he did not realise what he did was illegal.
Richard Mann, mitigating, said: ''He knew that we all eat fish, we boil lobsters alive and things like that.
''Looking into the law, if he had done this with an octopus or something without vertebrae, this would not have been an illegal act.''
Blowers, from Lowestoft, pleaded guilty to failing to protect the fish from suffering and failing to meeting their needs on February 8 this year.
Mr Batch said: ''This case involves the current craze of Neknominate.
''The problem with this craze is that more often or not the next nomination has to be more extreme than the previous nomination.
''In this case the nomination was clearly to drink two goldfish.''
A vet's report presented to the magistrates confirmed that the fish would have suffered.
Blowers' friend, Joseph Meikle, 20, also from Lowestoft, filmed the stunt and has since accepted a caution.
Chair of the bench Philip Key fined Blowers £200 and ordered him to pay legal costs of £600. He also disqualified him from keeping animals for 12 months.
He told him: ''You bought two goldfish with the sole intention of drinking them a putting them on social media.
''If you do become known for this in future, you've only got yourself to blame.
''We believe this was cruel, reckless and stupid.''
Outside court, Blowers said he had not given the fish names.
He added: ''I will see them again if I'm round my Nan's house.
''It was a stupid prank which has cost me a lot of money. I won't do it again but my family are glad I didn't do it with alcohol.''
Neknomination is a viral craze which involves friends encouraging one another to drink something, often alcohol, before passing on the dare to three others.
In June, Robert Atkinson, 20, was filmed buying a goldfish and taking it to a fast food outlet in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, before dropping it into a pint of beer and downing it.
He was banned from keeping animals and fined £723 after admitting inflicting unnecessary harm to a protected animal.
Two months earlier, Gavin Hope, 22, from Gateshead, was fined £300 after swallowing a live goldfish in a Neknomination challenge.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10986859/NekNomination-fish-survived-regurgitation-court-hears.htmlMan fined for downing fish in social media dare, as court hears he may not have broken the law if he used an octopus
A man has been fined for downing and regurgitating two goldfish in NekNomination dare, despite the fact that the animals are still alive today.
Jack Blowers was sober when he went to a local shop to buy the fish, Lowestoft Magistrates' Court in Suffolk heard.
The 20-year-old was filmed setting up a pint-sized aquarium, complete with gravel and fish food, in a glass before drinking it in one go.
The clip, which was uploaded to Facebook, goes on to show him vomiting up the contents of the glass into a toilet. He then rescued the fish and took them to his grandmother's house, where he put them in her fish bowl.
They survived and are still alive today, prosecutor Kevin Batch said.
However, Mr Batch said the RSPCA prosecution was in the public interest because of the level of ''pre-meditation'' involved.
Blowers' lawyer said he did not realise what he did was illegal.
Richard Mann, mitigating, said: ''He knew that we all eat fish, we boil lobsters alive and things like that.
''Looking into the law, if he had done this with an octopus or something without vertebrae, this would not have been an illegal act.''
Blowers, from Lowestoft, pleaded guilty to failing to protect the fish from suffering and failing to meeting their needs on February 8 this year.
Mr Batch said: ''This case involves the current craze of Neknominate.
''The problem with this craze is that more often or not the next nomination has to be more extreme than the previous nomination.
''In this case the nomination was clearly to drink two goldfish.''
A vet's report presented to the magistrates confirmed that the fish would have suffered.
Blowers' friend, Joseph Meikle, 20, also from Lowestoft, filmed the stunt and has since accepted a caution.
Chair of the bench Philip Key fined Blowers £200 and ordered him to pay legal costs of £600. He also disqualified him from keeping animals for 12 months.
He told him: ''You bought two goldfish with the sole intention of drinking them a putting them on social media.
''If you do become known for this in future, you've only got yourself to blame.
''We believe this was cruel, reckless and stupid.''
Outside court, Blowers said he had not given the fish names.
He added: ''I will see them again if I'm round my Nan's house.
''It was a stupid prank which has cost me a lot of money. I won't do it again but my family are glad I didn't do it with alcohol.''
Neknomination is a viral craze which involves friends encouraging one another to drink something, often alcohol, before passing on the dare to three others.
In June, Robert Atkinson, 20, was filmed buying a goldfish and taking it to a fast food outlet in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, before dropping it into a pint of beer and downing it.
He was banned from keeping animals and fined £723 after admitting inflicting unnecessary harm to a protected animal.
Two months earlier, Gavin Hope, 22, from Gateshead, was fined £300 after swallowing a live goldfish in a Neknomination challenge.
Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 24th July 13:06
- bump*
Two friends face jail over dare that ended in goldfish swallowing. Daniel Challis, 24, and Cheryl Stevens, 27, convicted of causing unnecessary suffering and told by Torbay magistrates they could be jailed
Where do shellfish sit on the life spectrum?
I regularly swallow live Oysters, or boil live crabs, mussels, prawns etc. Virtually all the fish dragged from the sea die from asphyxiation.
My wife won't eat Rabbit, "because they can be pets". I suspect the RSPCA are using a sililar distinction here.
I regularly swallow live Oysters, or boil live crabs, mussels, prawns etc. Virtually all the fish dragged from the sea die from asphyxiation.
My wife won't eat Rabbit, "because they can be pets". I suspect the RSPCA are using a sililar distinction here.
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