Linda Norgrove.....

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poo at Paul's

Original Poster:

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176 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Breaking news now that the kidnapped British Aid worker Linda Norgrove 'may' have been killed by a rescuers' grenade and not an IED set off by the captors.....

Hate to say it, but as soon as I heard the rhetoric from Hague over the weekend, I immediately thought there was a bit more to what they were saying..

Casualty of War or more 'friendly fire'??

MonkeyHanger

9,202 posts

243 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Somehow i am not surprised.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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"Brick, where did you get that grenade?"

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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What kind of nincompoop lobs a grenade into a building with a hostage inside? Have they not heard of flashbangs?

chippy17

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244 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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hornetrider said:
What kind of nincompoop lobs a grenade into a building with a hostage inside? Have they not heard of flashbangs?
otherwise known as 'the American military'

mattviatura

2,996 posts

201 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Also why the hell did they turn up in helicopters?

"Hey you bad guys, we're coming".

I'm not one of the PH anti-yanks and don't wish to undermine the bravery of those involved but surely we should be using our own hostage rescue troops for this sort of thing.

Devil2575

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189 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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I think it's easy to second guess what may have gone on but at the end of the day rescuing a hostage is always going to be risky. These people have a hard job to do so I for one and not going to stick the boot in if things don't go to plan.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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We probably should have sent in the SAS or at least let our troops have a go.
My friend is in the RAF and he says that the US army are every bit as useless as you'd imagine them to be.

hornetrider

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206 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Devil2575 said:
I think it's easy to second guess what may have gone on but at the end of the day rescuing a hostage is always going to be risky. These people have a hard job to do so I for one and not going to stick the boot in if things don't go to plan.
I appreciate what you're saying but a grenade? Into a hostage situation?

poo at Paul's

Original Poster:

14,180 posts

176 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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No, but I was just wondering if anyone else read more into what Hague was saying over the weekend, like I did?
He just seemed to say a bit too much, almost emphasising the fact that she was kileld by the captives to cut off the speculation of a friendly fire incident....

Just sounded a bit suss to me..

Devil2575

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Monday 11th October 2010
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hornetrider said:
Devil2575 said:
I think it's easy to second guess what may have gone on but at the end of the day rescuing a hostage is always going to be risky. These people have a hard job to do so I for one and not going to stick the boot in if things don't go to plan.
I appreciate what you're saying but a grenade? Into a hostage situation?
As far as I am aware isn't this just speculation at this stage?

mattviatura

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201 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Devil2575 said:
I think it's easy to second guess what may have gone on but at the end of the day rescuing a hostage is always going to be risky. These people have a hard job to do so I for one and not going to stick the boot in if things don't go to plan.
Very good point and I would agree with everything you've said.

I still think our troops seem to be better at this sort of thing.

hornetrider

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206 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Devil2575 said:
hornetrider said:
Devil2575 said:
I think it's easy to second guess what may have gone on but at the end of the day rescuing a hostage is always going to be risky. These people have a hard job to do so I for one and not going to stick the boot in if things don't go to plan.
I appreciate what you're saying but a grenade? Into a hostage situation?
As far as I am aware isn't this just speculation at this stage?
Ah yes... I await developments with interest.

bernies

115 posts

165 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Does anyone else ever visit the Daily Mail version of news stories just to enjoy the comment section?

It's sadistic, I know. I just can't help it.

DonkeyApple

55,695 posts

170 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Obviously, a large number of special forces and combat specialists who having studied the terrain, the live situation and evaluated all the available intel on PH would have done it differently. If only the British Govt had thought to make that all important phone call to a fat, bald bloke wking off over his keyboard this could have all been different. biggrin

Firstly, a huge thanks for all those soldiers who risked their own lives trying to save a Briton.

Secondly, condolences to the family of a woman who believed she was doing the right thing.

poo at Paul's

Original Poster:

14,180 posts

176 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Although the thread is more about the information passed on to us by the Govt as this news broke.

Well that is the reason I started it, anyway.

From an interview on Sky News just now, they reckon that the SAS were involved in an advisory and observation capacity only, but the intervieweee stated that the SAS had advised a different plan of action. US special forces wanted to do it one way, SAS another, they went with the US preferred option.
This is presiumably wny the story today has come out.

I take your point on the personnel risking their lives to help others though. They are the Army, but still, it's a brave thing to do. As was (is) the work of Linda and her colleagues.

nc107

465 posts

209 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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I would imagine the UK government has observed the harsh lessons of the Pat Tillman case in the US. Created quite a censored storm over the cover up. Better to get the truth out now than allow a false picture to be created, however expidient that might be in the short term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman

Edited by nc107 on Monday 11th October 16:30

dodgyviper

1,197 posts

239 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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DonkeyApple said:
Obviously, a large number of special forces and combat specialists who having studied the terrain, the live situation and evaluated all the available intel on PH would have done it differently. If only the British Govt had thought to make that all important phone call to a fat, bald bloke wking off over his keyboard this could have all been different. biggrin

Firstly, a huge thanks for all those soldiers who risked their own lives trying to save a Briton.

Secondly, condolences to the family of a woman who believed she was doing the right thing.
clap Thank you - it's not just me that wishes these Alf Garnetts would just tt off this forum

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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dodgyviper said:
DonkeyApple said:
Obviously, a large number of special forces and combat specialists who having studied the terrain, the live situation and evaluated all the available intel on PH would have done it differently. If only the British Govt had thought to make that all important phone call to a fat, bald bloke wking off over his keyboard this could have all been different. biggrin

Firstly, a huge thanks for all those soldiers who risked their own lives trying to save a Briton.

Secondly, condolences to the family of a woman who believed she was doing the right thing.
clap Thank you - it's not just me that wishes these Alf Garnetts would just tt off this forum
Listen cockpiece. I've read enough Tom Clancy to know you don't bung a grenade at the person you are trying to rescue.

Just sayin'.