Linda Norgrove.....

[Dixie68]

I suspect that the US troops were used as all the hostages were working for a US organisation. And the US Special Forces are far from being rubbish - the average grunt yes, but not these blokes.

[Frankeh]

I am being an armchair general here, but even as a total idiot I can see that throwing a grenade into ANY building during a hostage rescue is a monumentally stupid thing to do.
I really cant get my head around it.

I'd love to see the footage they have, just so I could get an idea of what an assault actually looks like.

Still. Grenading a building. Stupid imo.

[Tiggsy]

dreamz said:

as soon as the story broke i was like naaaa this was a botch up.

no reason for the taliban to kill thier asset

bloody yanks once again.

Before the internet....where did people talk nonsense?

[DonkeyApple]

Frankeh said:

I don't see why US troops and UK troops can't work together.

I would think that after nearly 10 years in the Middle East, at this level of soldiering, all the Aussies, South Africans, Brits and Yanks et al know each other very well and work together regularly. They also almost certainly have differing practices and beliefs based upon their varied personal and regimental experiences.

[jmorgan]

Tiggsy said:

dreamz said:

as soon as the story broke i was like naaaa this was a botch up.

no reason for the taliban to kill thier asset

bloody yanks once again.

Before the internet....where did people talk nonsense?

Down the pub. Always someone who knows someone who's aunt lived next door to a man who walked the dog of the mother of someone who was in the "shhhhh, you know who..." tap nose tap nose.

[Frankeh]

DonkeyApple said:

Frankeh said:

I don't see why US troops and UK troops can't work together.

I would think that after nearly 10 years in the Middle East, at this level of soldiering, all the Aussies, South Africans, Brits and Yanks et al know each other very well and work together regularly. They also almost certainly have differing practices and beliefs based upon their varied personal and regimental experiences.

The biggest casualty of this whole mess is that no british troops got to look at the Americans with a look of disbelief and say "I only told you to blow the bloody doors off!" in their best Michael Caine voice.
Would have really taken the edge off, I bet.

[DonkeyApple]

Frankeh said:

DonkeyApple said:

Frankeh said:

I don't see why US troops and UK troops can't work together.

I would think that after nearly 10 years in the Middle East, at this level of soldiering, all the Aussies, South Africans, Brits and Yanks et al know each other very well and work together regularly. They also almost certainly have differing practices and beliefs based upon their varied personal and regimental experiences.

The biggest casualty of this whole mess is that no british troops got to look at the Americans with a look of disbelief and say "I only told you to blow the bloody doors off!" in their best Michael Caine voice.
Would have really taken the edge off, I bet.

Wouldn't work. Michael Caine wasn't in the Italian Job. You'd have to reinact a dance routine from Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.

[dandarez]

I side with the opener of this thread. I too when listening to Hague as this story broke thought, oh dear new government, same crap, cover your asses first...

Obviously there must have been intelligence that Norgrove was in danger, either going to be whisked away by the taliban or something similar. We (I assume the Brit Gov.) gave the okay for the Yanks to go in.

Would you?

Well, she ain't in danger anymore!

[dandarez]

DonkeyApple said:

Frankeh said:

DonkeyApple said:

Frankeh said:

I don't see why US troops and UK troops can't work together.

I would think that after nearly 10 years in the Middle East, at this level of soldiering, all the Aussies, South Africans, Brits and Yanks et al know each other very well and work together regularly. They also almost certainly have differing practices and beliefs based upon their varied personal and regimental experiences.

The biggest casualty of this whole mess is that no british troops got to look at the Americans with a look of disbelief and say "I only told you to blow the bloody doors off!" in their best Michael Caine voice.
Would have really taken the edge off, I bet.

Wouldn't work. Michael Caine wasn't in the Italian Job. You'd have to reinact a dance routine from Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.

Huh. Wasn't he?
Please explain, I'm totally lost at that statement.

[DonkeyApple]

dandarez said:

DonkeyApple said:

Frankeh said:

DonkeyApple said:

Frankeh said:

I don't see why US troops and UK troops can't work together.

I would think that after nearly 10 years in the Middle East, at this level of soldiering, all the Aussies, South Africans, Brits and Yanks et al know each other very well and work together regularly. They also almost certainly have differing practices and beliefs based upon their varied personal and regimental experiences.

The biggest casualty of this whole mess is that no british troops got to look at the Americans with a look of disbelief and say "I only told you to blow the bloody doors off!" in their best Michael Caine voice.
Would have really taken the edge off, I bet.

Wouldn't work. Michael Caine wasn't in the Italian Job. You'd have to reinact a dance routine from Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.

Huh. Wasn't he?
Please explain, I'm totally lost at that statement.

Google who Marky Mark was and then put his name back into Google with the year 2003. Finally, remember that you'll be pitching a joke to an American

[Mojocvh]

Frankeh said:

I am being an armchair general here, but even as a total idiot I can see that throwing a grenade into ANY building during a hostage rescue is a monumentally stupid thing to do.
I really cant get my head around it.

I'd love to see the footage they have, just so I could get an idea of what an assault actually looks like.

Still. Grenading a building. Stupid imo.

Not even one that, say, had heavy automatic fire coming from it that was about to obliterate half your troop?

Sorry, yes your right.

Them Damn nice Taliban were only dissin and were going to let her go. Piece by piece.

An unfortunate accident of WAR.

[NoNeed]

Mojocvh said:

An unfortunate accident of WAR.

well said, those soldiers risked their own lives to save her, they wouldn't even have been there is she wasn't kidnapped.

[clonmult]

Frankeh said:

Does anyone else ever visit the Daily Mail version of news stories just to enjoy the comment section?

It's sadistic, I know. I just can't help it.

Yup, do it every day. Its quite hilarious how mind numbingly stupid some people can be, and there's a certain perverse pleasure in downgrading the comments of numpties.

[armynick]

I see that everyone is whining in the press today about this woman's death.

Has anyone mentioned the fact that if she hadn't refused her ex-pat provided security, like she always did, wandering around a war torn Muslim couuntry where, except for Kabul, most women are confined to their compound, thinking she's untouchable, she most likely would never have been kidnapped in the first place.

She only has herself to blame. Someone ought to tell the family, so they don't torture themselves anymore with this issue and let in rest.

[DonkeyApple]

armynick said:

I see that everyone is whining in the press today about this woman's death.

Has anyone mentioned the fact that if she hadn't refused her ex-pat provided security, like she always did, wandering around a war torn Muslim couuntry where, except for Kabul, most women are confined to their compound, thinking she's untouchable, she most likely would never have been kidnapped in the first place.

She only has herself to blame. Someone ought to tell the family, so they don't torture themselves anymore with this issue and let in rest.

A wild stab in the dark but you weren't by any chance in the Irish Rangers many moons ago?

[armynick]

Certainly Not! Have you seen what they have to wear on their heads?

[rhinochopig]

armynick said:

Certainly Not! Have you seen what they have to wear on their heads?

foam Guinness hat?

[DonkeyApple]

armynick said:

Certainly Not! Have you seen what they have to wear on their heads?

I assumed it was specialist camoflage for when assualting a bonzai farm?

[Ayahuasca]

audidoody said:

I would have silently nailed the guards at 500 yards with bow and arrow. Then, dressed as a Taliban, walked through the front door taking care of the rest of them with head shots (one each) from my silenced Glock 17. How hard can it be?

One each? Double-tap more like!

How many sucessful hostage rescues have ever been carried out by US forces?

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Just sayin.

[jmorgan]

Ayahuasca said:

How many sucessful hostage rescues have ever been carried out by US forces?

I don't know and would like to know. Many keep using this to beat them with.

Not an arsy reply, genuine question.