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Targarama

13,171 posts

152 months

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Last year I remortgaged with Halifax (bad timing since we broke up this year and I had a redemption penality). Halifax told me and the ex that we could borrow over £1M!!! We both earn around £100k give or take. Crazy.

Targarama

13,171 posts

152 months

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Deva Link said:
That must be wrong - according to people in the know on PistonHeads, lenders are hosing money at applicants.
I think it is all down to 'form'. Plenty of money out there for lower risk borrowers (LTV or income/lifestyle etc.).

Deva Link

26,916 posts

114 months

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GT03ROB said:
No dispute with that, but my point was more that the mainstream lenders, will lend 5x to someone on £35k, not that everyone can get 5x.
Have you actually tested that, or are you just going on what it suggests on their website?

I've seen comments elsewhere that NatWest are being particularly difficult (perhaps choosy?) with mortgages.

chris watton

12,349 posts

129 months

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Deva Link said:
chris watton said:
It seems that hardly anyone can get a mortgage these days -
That must be wrong - according to people in the know on PistonHeads, lenders are hosing money at applicants.
From our experience, and from what the estate agents and solicitors have told us, they most certainly are not.

The sellers of the house we are buying were so fed up with mortage deals falling through, they said that they'd accept our offer if it was cash only.

Trommel

10,497 posts

128 months

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chris watton said:
From our experience, and from what the estate agents and solicitors have told us, they most certainly are not.
Agreed - the agent who has been trying to sell somewhere of mine (up North) for far too long has apparently had houses go under offer five months ago which still haven't completed due to lenders being so picky over surveys, final approvals etc.

There are no first time buyers because they can't get mortgages, so the only people looking at the lower end are investors wanting to let to the would-be first time buyers.

Very different from London.
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tonker

43,819 posts

117 months

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So lenders get hammered for being too lax with lending. Then they are too strict by not lending if they see problems. What do we want them to do ? Especially in the most volatile (potentially) areas (the 2up2down etc markets up North etc.)

BMWBen

3,539 posts

70 months

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chris watton said:
Deva Link said:
chris watton said:
It seems that hardly anyone can get a mortgage these days -
That must be wrong - according to people in the know on PistonHeads, lenders are hosing money at applicants.
From our experience, and from what the estate agents and solicitors have told us, they most certainly are not.

The sellers of the house we are buying were so fed up with mortage deals falling through, they said that they'd accept our offer if it was cash only.
I guess it depends on whether you're a "safe bet" or not. My wife and I are completing on a property in 2 days - 95% LTV, £290,000. Didn't have any problems getting that mortgage. That said, there were only 2 possible mortgages we could have got, so it wouldn't have taken much for us to be unable to proceed.

That's only 2x our combined income, which could have something to do with it too. We wouldn't be happy going any further than that at 5.75% though!

If an interest rate rise does happen in the next few years and we end up with a collapse in prices I'm off to Ecuador! The current crazy prices are not my fault and I'm not carrying the can if it all goes tits up laugh



Edited by BMWBen on Wednesday 29th August 12:23

Timmy35

8,435 posts

67 months

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Targarama said:
Deva Link said:
That must be wrong - according to people in the know on PistonHeads, lenders are hosing money at applicants.
I think it is all down to 'form'. Plenty of money out there for lower risk borrowers (LTV or income/lifestyle etc.).
Spot on, CCJs, bad credit history, missed some loan payments or mortgage payments in the past...no chance. If you have a clean credit record though from my personal experience no problem what so ever.

Pork

7,828 posts

103 months

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BMWBen said:
If an interest rate rise does happen in the next few years and we end up with a collapse in prices I'm off to Ecuador! The current crazy prices are not my fault and I'm not carrying the can if it all goes tits up laugh
You're not alone in thinking that, which is another reason banks can't afford for IRs to go up. The impact wouldnt be immediate, but it would cut deeply.

spikeyhead

7,500 posts

66 months

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tonker said:
So lenders get hammered for being too lax with lending. Then they are too strict by not lending if they see problems. What do we want them to do ? Especially in the most volatile (potentially) areas (the 2up2down etc markets up North etc.)
All I'd like is some common sense and long term thinking. Half the problems come from very lax lending previously and now the pendulum has swung the other way. I've recently had a mortgage approved, though we walked away from the house as it had been tweaked a little too much by it's previous owners. However that approval only went through when my income was completely removed from the application as it was too confusing to the bank that I'd had 18 months of contracting preceded by 18 months of working as an employee abroad. This on a one times combined income and a 50% LTV.

So a constant set of rules, possibly based on affordability rather than a straight multiple.

chris watton

12,349 posts

129 months

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BMWBen said:
I guess it depends on whether you're a "safe bet" or not. My wife and I are completing on a property in 2 days - 95% LTV, £290,000. Didn't have any problems getting that mortgage. That said, there were only 2 possible mortgages we could have got, so it wouldn't have taken much for us to be unable to proceed.

That's only 2x our combined income, which could have something to do with it too. We wouldn't be happy going any further than that at 5.75% though!

If an interest rate rise does happen in the next few years and we end up with a collapse in prices I'm off to Ecuador! The current crazy prices are not my fault and I'm not carrying the can if it all goes tits up laugh



Edited by BMWBen on Wednesday 29th August 12:23
You are a braver man than me! I always try and sort my finances looking at a worst case scenario - and the thought of interest rates rising (which they must at some point - they are artificially low right now) made me buy something more modest but wholly affordable (no mortgage), no matter what, even if I lost my £36k a year job.

Targarama

13,171 posts

152 months

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chris watton said:
You are a braver man than me! I always try and sort my finances looking at a worst case scenario - and the thought of interest rates rising (which they must at some point - they are artificially low right now) made me buy something more modest but wholly affordable (no mortgage), no matter what, even if I lost my £36k a year job.
Is he really that much braver though? On their salaries the redundancy payment would likely be large, enabling them to cover their mortgage for quite a while. In fact that size mortgage is affordable on one of their salaries.

chris watton

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Targarama said:
Is he really that much braver though? On their salaries the redundancy payment would likely be large, enabling them to cover their mortgage for quite a while. In fact that size mortgage is affordable on one of their salaries.
true - never thought of a redundancy package.

...But then I'd think, what if.... what if the company you work for are so financially screwed that you have no redundancy package?

speedy_thrills

5,650 posts

112 months

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BMWBen said:
If an interest rate rise does happen in the next few years and we end up with a collapse in prices I'm off to Ecuador!
Don't be silly, interest rates never rise and it'll be cheap money forever. Feeding bubbles is the economic panacea of our age.

Edited by speedy_thrills on Wednesday 29th August 12:42

AstonZagato

3,228 posts

79 months

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Some interesting stuff here:
http://www.terrysmithblog.com/straight-talking/201...

"I suppose I also shouldn’t be surprised that both the government and Alastair Darling put forward housebuilding as one of the solutions to this problem of a lack of growth. Neither seems to have considered the following factors:

1. An obsession with home 'ownership' (with a 100%+ interest only mortgage-hence the inverted commas) was part of the cause of the financial crisis;

2. In the most successful economy in Europe-Germany-less than half the population own their home; and

3. No one has ever managed to export a house.

By the way, the government is talking about promoting 'affordable housing'. For those of you familiar with Hutber’s Law, if there is such a thing as 'affordable housing' what does that make the remainder? "

Alfa numeric

2,414 posts

48 months

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A good friend of mine is emigrating at the end of the month. He owns a house here and has found a tennant for it, so did the correct thing and rang his lender (a high street bank) to ask for an appointment to arrange for his mortgage to be converted to a BTL. All was going well until the mortgage advisor in the branch rang the mortgage department, which told her that they were only granting BTL mortgages to current landlords. The advisor was as suprised as they were, and in the end advised them to stick with their current mortgage.




GWC

3,939 posts

64 months

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He's just informed them he's letting out his property and they're happy for him to remain on a residential mortgage?

Alfa numeric

2,414 posts

48 months

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Believe it or not, yes. At least that was he message he got from the branch.

Deva Link

26,916 posts

114 months

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chris watton said:
...But then I'd think, what if.... what if the company you work for are so financially screwed that you have no redundancy package?
The Government steps in (to a limited degree). Also your mortgage protection insurance would pick up the mortgage payments.

You can do "what if.." for ever. I was too cautious - I never thought the job (the whole business area) I was in would last, but it did. I could retire anytime now if I needed to but I'm being paid to post all day on PistonHeads (like everyone else here smile ) so I might as well hang on for a bit.

I do think that employment uncertainty will continue to affect the market. My NHS employed daughter is moving from a permanent job to a 1 year fixed term contract to move up a level. Her replacement will be employed on a FTC too. The NHS might decide to stop funding her role and she'd be out of a job with no redundancy pay. She's already on the housing ladder, but it's going to be even tougher for her colleagues who aren't.

Deva Link

26,916 posts

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AstonZagato said:
3. No one has ever managed to export a house.
Well, the Germans' do. smile
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