75% of Incapacity Benefit claimants FAIL new test
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I love the smell of Wail in the morning 
Hard to argue with the raw figures though. Incpacity bill will be slashed!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324035/75...
Hard to argue with the raw figures though. Incpacity bill will be slashed!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324035/75...
Article said:
Three-quarters of people who applied for new benefits for the long-term sick failed tests to prove they were too ill to work.
Out of about 840,000 who tried to obtain the £95-a-week Employment and Support Allowance, 640,000 were told they were fit for work, or withdrew their applications before they took the tests – suggesting they were ‘trying it on’.
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All new claimants now have to undergo work capability assessments through a private contractor, Atos.
The first three months are paid at a lower weekly rate of £65, while their claim in the form of a questionnaire about their condition is considered along with information from their doctor.
They may then be asked to go for a full medical assessment. More than a third of claimants voluntarily give up the benefit within three months, however, rather than undergoing the medical tests.
Employment minister Chris Grayling said the reforms were about giving those who can work help to do so and those who cannot extra support
Even so, those who have failed or avoided the test since it was introduced have managed to claim as much as £500million in total before being screened out.
Those who go in front of Atos-hired doctors are tested on how far they can walk, how long they can sit and whether they can bend and touch their knees.
They also have to show whether they can hold a pen or pencil and do up a button. Those who can do basic physical tasks are tested for their communication skills and whether they can cope with change.
People who are found to be sick are then put into three groups: those who need permanent support, those who might be able to work after a few months and those who are fit to work.
Since October 2008, just 51,000 people have been put on the new sickness benefit indefinitely, meaning there is genuinely no hope of them being able to work again.
Awesome. My mrs nearly went for a job at Atos as well as a qualified DN, but they are only marginally better paid than nurses.Out of about 840,000 who tried to obtain the £95-a-week Employment and Support Allowance, 640,000 were told they were fit for work, or withdrew their applications before they took the tests – suggesting they were ‘trying it on’.
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.
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All new claimants now have to undergo work capability assessments through a private contractor, Atos.
The first three months are paid at a lower weekly rate of £65, while their claim in the form of a questionnaire about their condition is considered along with information from their doctor.
They may then be asked to go for a full medical assessment. More than a third of claimants voluntarily give up the benefit within three months, however, rather than undergoing the medical tests.
Employment minister Chris Grayling said the reforms were about giving those who can work help to do so and those who cannot extra support
Even so, those who have failed or avoided the test since it was introduced have managed to claim as much as £500million in total before being screened out.
Those who go in front of Atos-hired doctors are tested on how far they can walk, how long they can sit and whether they can bend and touch their knees.
They also have to show whether they can hold a pen or pencil and do up a button. Those who can do basic physical tasks are tested for their communication skills and whether they can cope with change.
People who are found to be sick are then put into three groups: those who need permanent support, those who might be able to work after a few months and those who are fit to work.
Since October 2008, just 51,000 people have been put on the new sickness benefit indefinitely, meaning there is genuinely no hope of them being able to work again.
People withdrawing applications doesn't mean they are trying it on, my gran never applied for half the benefits she could have because it was too much trouble or because she felt it was begging. I can see the number getting closer to 75% passing once appeals go through and people learn how the system works, either to get what they are owed or to play the system again.
Gargamel said:
About time too. Most companies I work with are fine with making arrangements for individuals who have some disabilities or require additional support to be able to work.
Of course it won't work in all cases, but I think there are opportunities out there.
Very much so. It is sad that people are allowed to say they are to sick to work.Of course it won't work in all cases, but I think there are opportunities out there.
Eric Mc said:
And about 80% of Appeals succeed.
The new tests (which were introduced by Labour over a year ago) are total rubbish. They are administered by non-medically qualified individuals (often foreign who don't speak English very well) and take no account of mental health problems at all.
Er, excuse me. My mrs went through the application process and was accepted, but decided to stick in the NHS. You have to be a qualified nurse to be an assessor.The new tests (which were introduced by Labour over a year ago) are total rubbish. They are administered by non-medically qualified individuals (often foreign who don't speak English very well) and take no account of mental health problems at all.
hornetrider said:
Eric Mc said:
And about 80% of Appeals succeed.
The new tests (which were introduced by Labour over a year ago) are total rubbish. They are administered by non-medically qualified individuals (often foreign who don't speak English very well) and take no account of mental health problems at all.
Er, excuse me. My mrs went through the application process and was accepted, but decided to stick in the NHS. You have to be a qualified nurse to be an assessor.The new tests (which were introduced by Labour over a year ago) are total rubbish. They are administered by non-medically qualified individuals (often foreign who don't speak English very well) and take no account of mental health problems at all.
Globulator said:
Greenie said:
Soovy said:
Too many lazy c ts sitting in Wetherspoons all day well able to work.
Postmen have jobsAnd truck drivers.
Secretaries.
Brickies.
(is this a word game? Did I win?)
Bing o said:
Globulator said:
Greenie said:
Soovy said:
Too many lazy c ts sitting in Wetherspoons all day well able to work.
Postmen have jobsAnd truck drivers.
Secretaries.
Brickies.
(is this a word game? Did I win?)
What is tested - described in detail here. It does seem that mental health is SUPPOSED to be assessed, but my BIL was not asked any pertinent questions about his mental state. Which does bring into question the training of those doing the assessing.
http://www.disabilityalliance.org/f25.htm
And I think you will find there is quite a bit of disquiet about those who are being employed as Incapacity Benefit Assessors
http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/latest-news2/news-...
http://www.disabilityalliance.org/f25.htm
And I think you will find there is quite a bit of disquiet about those who are being employed as Incapacity Benefit Assessors
http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/latest-news2/news-...
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 27th October 11:38
I was advertising a delivery driver job. One of our customers asked about, took the details, then came back and said it wasn't worth him doing it as he'd lose his disability allowence.
piss.... boiling....
On the other hand, I know a chap who had little use of his legs. Following him crashing to the floor, drawing blood from his head on the Dr's desk on the way down, when the Dr asked him to show how low he could go towards touching his toes (less than knee high), the report said "some stiffness in the legs".
piss.... boiling....
On the other hand, I know a chap who had little use of his legs. Following him crashing to the floor, drawing blood from his head on the Dr's desk on the way down, when the Dr asked him to show how low he could go towards touching his toes (less than knee high), the report said "some stiffness in the legs".
Eric Mc said:
And I think you will find there is quite a bit of disquiet about those who are being employed as Incapacity Benefit Assessors
http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/latest-news2/news-...
From your linked article, Eric.http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/latest-news2/news-...
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 27th October 11:38
Article said:
Health professionals trained to carry out assessments of disabled people claiming benefits “do not know the first thing about disability”, according to ex-National Health Service (NHS) staff.
Nurses, doctors and physiotherapists whose job it is to assess disabled people across the country for Disability Living Allowance and Employment Support Allowance (previously Incapacity Benefit) are massively under-qualified for their roles, former NHS employees allege.
Teresa White*, who used to be a NHS nursing manager, told Disability Now: “At the moment there are adverts in the nursing press for benefits assessors and I know that nurses applying for these roles will have had barely any formal training on disability.
So a 'nursing manager' (whatever that is) is concerned fully qualified Doctors, Nurses and Physios are unable to assess if someone can hold a pen or walk a certain distance?Nurses, doctors and physiotherapists whose job it is to assess disabled people across the country for Disability Living Allowance and Employment Support Allowance (previously Incapacity Benefit) are massively under-qualified for their roles, former NHS employees allege.
Teresa White*, who used to be a NHS nursing manager, told Disability Now: “At the moment there are adverts in the nursing press for benefits assessors and I know that nurses applying for these roles will have had barely any formal training on disability.
Okay.
Well I happen to know that despite being a fully qualified District Nurse, my mrs would have had to go on a four week assessing training course before working supervised, then finally on her own.
Soovy said:
Bing o said:
Globulator said:
Greenie said:
Soovy said:
Too many lazy c ts sitting in Wetherspoons all day well able to work.
Postmen have jobsAnd truck drivers.
Secretaries.
Brickies.
(is this a word game? Did I win?)
Chris_w666 said:
Soovy said:
Bing o said:
Globulator said:
Greenie said:
Soovy said:
Too many lazy c ts sitting in Wetherspoons all day well able to work.
Postmen have jobsAnd truck drivers.
Secretaries.
Brickies.
(is this a word game? Did I win?)
Serious question - assuming you eradicated most of these people from benefits and they did get jobs, would this have a recession effect on the various pub chains?
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