Symbolic Burning
Discussion
M-J-B said:
dreamz said:
Because like it or not - religion matters to people.
So does the death of a loved one or relative, and the right to commemorate it peacefully, with respect and without the symbol being burnt in public.Victor McDade said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country...
Interesting to see how the police deal with the burning of one symbol (a koran) with the burning of another (a poppy).
I think both acts are unnecessary and deliberately provocative however to start arresting folks over such things is very knee jerk and ott. Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?
Different forces though, no?Interesting to see how the police deal with the burning of one symbol (a koran) with the burning of another (a poppy).
I think both acts are unnecessary and deliberately provocative however to start arresting folks over such things is very knee jerk and ott. Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?
Either way arresting her is just daft.
Given many religious types seem obsessed with telling me I'm going to burn for all eternity, getting upset when a book is torched seems something of a double standard. It's just a book. If I grab it from you and torch it then fine, it's theft or criminal damage, but if I go out and buy a Koran, a Bible or anything else, I should be free to burn it if I so wish, regardless of who I offend. We can't start legislating on the basis of people being upset.
It is indeed only a book but its a stupid, pointless and offensive thing to do which hardly reflects well on the morons who do such stupid things.
On the Poppy thing, they are not a religious symbol of course, and people are welcome to object to war in general or specific conflicts. However, like it or not, poppies represent an important part of British culture, shows respect for our history and also, most importantly, shows respect and gratitude for those fallen and injured. As such, it is a stupid, pointless and offensive thing to do which hardly reflects well on the morons who did it!
My views on the conflicts going on at the moment or on religion are irrelevant. Both acts show crass insensitivity. The ultimate goal of any right thinking person is surly to co-exist peacefully happily and in an environment of respect, good humour and the enrichment of all. This is clearly a difficult goal to achieve and even with the most moderate people there are always difference of opinion and style that will can cause issues. That is the nature of such things but to go out and deliberately insult people, in a personal, fundamental and just plain nasty way is just a sad indictment of the people who do such things. One should of course appreciate they are a tiny minority of the relevant group and not allow such acts to colour ones wider view.
Well, that's what I thinks!
On the Poppy thing, they are not a religious symbol of course, and people are welcome to object to war in general or specific conflicts. However, like it or not, poppies represent an important part of British culture, shows respect for our history and also, most importantly, shows respect and gratitude for those fallen and injured. As such, it is a stupid, pointless and offensive thing to do which hardly reflects well on the morons who did it!
My views on the conflicts going on at the moment or on religion are irrelevant. Both acts show crass insensitivity. The ultimate goal of any right thinking person is surly to co-exist peacefully happily and in an environment of respect, good humour and the enrichment of all. This is clearly a difficult goal to achieve and even with the most moderate people there are always difference of opinion and style that will can cause issues. That is the nature of such things but to go out and deliberately insult people, in a personal, fundamental and just plain nasty way is just a sad indictment of the people who do such things. One should of course appreciate they are a tiny minority of the relevant group and not allow such acts to colour ones wider view.
Well, that's what I thinks!
Victor McDade said:
Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?
It's not a bible, it's a book by a well known science fiction writer.http://www.xenu.net/
Globs said:
Victor McDade said:
Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?
It's not a bible, it's a book by a well known science fiction writer.http://www.xenu.net/
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
s1962a said:
Why do we give the poppy burning chavs any airtime? Ignore them and they'll go away. They don't represent Islam - only themselves.
Therefore, ignore the girl on youtube and she'll go away, don't arrest her.M-J-B said:
s1962a said:
rather than picking on faith?
Who's picking on faith here?We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
I'd say not.
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track. Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track. Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
Edited by M-J-B on Friday 26th November 16:44
s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track. Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
BliarOut said:
s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track. Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
I appreciate and fully understand why we must remember those who have given up their lives in the past and appreciate what they have done but why does society choose a poppy or a memorial for? Is it some form of idolitry excercise? or is it something to remember them by? why can this rememborance not be done any other way?
BliarOut said:
s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track. Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
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