Symbolic Burning

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M-J-B

14,991 posts

251 months

Thursday 25th November 2010
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dreamz said:
Because like it or not - religion matters to people.
So does the death of a loved one or relative, and the right to commemorate it peacefully, with respect and without the symbol being burnt in public.




anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 25th November 2010
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M-J-B said:
dreamz said:
Because like it or not - religion matters to people.
So does the death of a loved one or relative, and the right to commemorate it peacefully, with respect and without the symbol being burnt in public.
They both do, what the girl did was wrong but she should not be arrested for it. She does not know any better. So why arrest her for it? Thats just silly.

MilnerR

8,273 posts

259 months

Thursday 25th November 2010
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Maybe we should have a symbolic washing of a Koran rather than burning....

Bill

52,920 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th November 2010
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Victor McDade said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country...


Interesting to see how the police deal with the burning of one symbol (a koran) with the burning of another (a poppy).

I think both acts are unnecessary and deliberately provocative however to start arresting folks over such things is very knee jerk and ott. Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?
Different forces though, no?

Either way arresting her is just daft.

hornet

6,333 posts

251 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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Given many religious types seem obsessed with telling me I'm going to burn for all eternity, getting upset when a book is torched seems something of a double standard. It's just a book. If I grab it from you and torch it then fine, it's theft or criminal damage, but if I go out and buy a Koran, a Bible or anything else, I should be free to burn it if I so wish, regardless of who I offend. We can't start legislating on the basis of people being upset.

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

283 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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It is indeed only a book but its a stupid, pointless and offensive thing to do which hardly reflects well on the morons who do such stupid things.

On the Poppy thing, they are not a religious symbol of course, and people are welcome to object to war in general or specific conflicts. However, like it or not, poppies represent an important part of British culture, shows respect for our history and also, most importantly, shows respect and gratitude for those fallen and injured. As such, it is a stupid, pointless and offensive thing to do which hardly reflects well on the morons who did it!

My views on the conflicts going on at the moment or on religion are irrelevant. Both acts show crass insensitivity. The ultimate goal of any right thinking person is surly to co-exist peacefully happily and in an environment of respect, good humour and the enrichment of all. This is clearly a difficult goal to achieve and even with the most moderate people there are always difference of opinion and style that will can cause issues. That is the nature of such things but to go out and deliberately insult people, in a personal, fundamental and just plain nasty way is just a sad indictment of the people who do such things. One should of course appreciate they are a tiny minority of the relevant group and not allow such acts to colour ones wider view.

Well, that's what I thinks!

dudleybloke

19,900 posts

187 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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if its her book she can do what she wants with it.

Colonial

13,553 posts

206 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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I disagree with both those who burn korans, poppies or anything else similar.

But I will protect their right to do it.

Bill

52,920 posts

256 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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dudleybloke said:
if its her book she can do what she wants with it.
Just as it was their poppy they burnt?

Globs

13,841 posts

232 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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Victor McDade said:
Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?
It's not a bible, it's a book by a well known science fiction writer.
http://www.xenu.net/


M-J-B

14,991 posts

251 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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Globs said:
Victor McDade said:
Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?
It's not a bible, it's a book by a well known science fiction writer.
http://www.xenu.net/
Ah, fiction.

That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.

s1962a

5,370 posts

163 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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M-J-B said:
s1962a said:
Why do we give the poppy burning chavs any airtime? Ignore them and they'll go away. They don't represent Islam - only themselves.
Therefore, ignore the girl on youtube and she'll go away, don't arrest her.
It's the police that decided to arrest her. Why not vent your frustration at the government who inact these laws, rather than picking on faith?

M-J-B

14,991 posts

251 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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s1962a said:
rather than picking on faith?
Who's picking on faith here?

We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.

Bill

52,920 posts

256 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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M-J-B said:
s1962a said:
rather than picking on faith?
Who's picking on faith here?

We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Indeed. So is one bunch of idiots burning a symbol any worse than any other? Similarly, is one bunch of idiots getting riled by the burning worse than the other?

I'd say not.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

201 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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I like to think they bought the poppies before burning so our soldiers would benefit from the act.

s1962a

5,370 posts

163 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.

M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.

That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track.

Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?

M-J-B

14,991 posts

251 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.

M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.

That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track.

Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
You know nothing about me and I can assure you I have no axe to grind with any faith. I am amazed that the authorities seem to abide a certain act which was totally discrespectful and yet not another act which was equally as disrespectful.

Edited by M-J-B on Friday 26th November 16:44

BliarOut

72,857 posts

240 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.

M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.

That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track.

Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
Poppies commemorate actual dead, the books celebrate fictional characters.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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BliarOut said:
s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.

M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.

That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track.

Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
Poppies commemorate actual dead, the books celebrate fictional characters.
Genuine question why poppies? Why do you feel that a paper replica of a red flower should somehow commemorate the dead soldiers. Why not something else then? Same with a memorial why should a statue be used to commemorate the dead for?

I appreciate and fully understand why we must remember those who have given up their lives in the past and appreciate what they have done but why does society choose a poppy or a memorial for? Is it some form of idolitry excercise? or is it something to remember them by? why can this rememborance not be done any other way?

PintOfKittens

1,336 posts

191 months

Friday 26th November 2010
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BliarOut said:
s1962a said:
M-J-B said:
Who's picking on faith here?
You are.

M-J-B said:
Ah, fiction.

That'll be just like the Bible and Koran then.
M-J-B said:
We're simply discussing if one act is similar to another.
Yes, lets keep it on track.

Why do you think there was hypocrisy with the way the 2 incidents were handled?
Poppies commemorate actual dead, the books celebrate fictional characters.
You think Muhammed was fictional? You think he didnt exist? Whos buried in his grave? IIRC no one credible has been able to prove that Muhammed didnt exist