Monbiot on tour - "come and have an argument"!
Discussion
rs1952 said:
Tsippy said:
s2art said:
rs1952 said:
I do not deny that the man has some intelligence;
I do. He has the classic properties of someone educated beyond their ability.
ts. They can be surprisingly effective and difficult opponents, as are bds.(And never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with years of experience.)
HTH
Are these going to be streamed online anywhere? I'd love to watch him get torn to shreds by intelligent people who actually know what they're talking about. Or just to see him resort to the usual tactics of a deluded person, shouting people down like a Labour party member on Question Time.
Digga said:
rs1952 said:
Tsippy said:
s2art said:
rs1952 said:
I do not deny that the man has some intelligence;
I do. He has the classic properties of someone educated beyond their ability.ts. They can be surprisingly effective and difficult opponents, as are bds.(And never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with years of experience.)
HTH
I spent nine years as a Complaints Officer for a Housing Association. The biggest pains in the arse are intelligent people with too much time on their hands
No matter how good your argument or well researched it would be like trying to heckle a comedian who has already got the audience laughing.
They have the mike, you don't.
They have a few hangers on who will take their side regardless.
You might get a couple of sarcy comments out, but will not be allowed the time or means to produce a reasoned argument.
They have the mike AND the option at some later point to come out with a sarcy comment apropos of nothing other than to make you look an idiot.
Did I say they have the mike and you don't?
Barge - pole - ignore him. What's the point?
They have the mike, you don't.
They have a few hangers on who will take their side regardless.
You might get a couple of sarcy comments out, but will not be allowed the time or means to produce a reasoned argument.
They have the mike AND the option at some later point to come out with a sarcy comment apropos of nothing other than to make you look an idiot.
Did I say they have the mike and you don't?
Barge - pole - ignore him. What's the point?
Neil_Sc said:
I wonder how he will be getting to the venues, carbon neutral flying carpet perhaps?
I was thinking this surely the answer is a virtual lecture tour using a telephone and a printed picture faxed to each venue, anything more than that is using unnecessary power and fossil fuel, after all if it is running out better petrol heads enjoy it than a whiney left wing tt wastes it.s2art said:
rs1952 said:
I do not deny that the man has some intelligence;
I do. He has the classic properties of someone educated beyond their ability.Dear Mr Monbiot
Since you appear to be incapable of distinguishing the difference between a death threat, and some random nobody venting on the internet, i assure you that i do not actually wish for you to come to any harm - at the hands of crazed yokels or by any other means.
I would have thought that as a journalist you might be aware of the basic nature of "the internet" and the fact that the anonymity it provides allows people to say all kinds of things, adopt alter egos, and behave in a completely different way to that which they themselves might find acceptable in "the real world".
Clearly it's useful to your argument to find and publish this kind of garbage, but you really shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet...
Oh, and for the record, it's not primarily your views on the environment that give me need for venting - i'm an AGW agnostic rather than an athiest (because the science has been usurped by real politik). No, it's your and Toynbees support for the mindless authoritarianism from the labour party and the EU over that last few years that really gets my goat.
The fact that little people like me don't have a say in things like the Lisbon Treaty is precisely why we feel powerless, and that's what makes us feel like we need to vent. If only we lived in a democracy and someone actually represented us...
Since you appear to be incapable of distinguishing the difference between a death threat, and some random nobody venting on the internet, i assure you that i do not actually wish for you to come to any harm - at the hands of crazed yokels or by any other means.
I would have thought that as a journalist you might be aware of the basic nature of "the internet" and the fact that the anonymity it provides allows people to say all kinds of things, adopt alter egos, and behave in a completely different way to that which they themselves might find acceptable in "the real world".
Clearly it's useful to your argument to find and publish this kind of garbage, but you really shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet...
Oh, and for the record, it's not primarily your views on the environment that give me need for venting - i'm an AGW agnostic rather than an athiest (because the science has been usurped by real politik). No, it's your and Toynbees support for the mindless authoritarianism from the labour party and the EU over that last few years that really gets my goat.
The fact that little people like me don't have a say in things like the Lisbon Treaty is precisely why we feel powerless, and that's what makes us feel like we need to vent. If only we lived in a democracy and someone actually represented us...
Edited by pilchardthecat on Monday 24th January 09:43
Edited by Mr Will on Monday 24th January 18:07
Someone seems to have upset that nice mild Mr. Monbiot.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbio...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbio...
I think he's realised the s
tstorm he's left himself open for with this astonishing gesture, he's not so stupid as to take rhetoric on a website forum as serious so I assume he's up to something else, perhaps he'll cry off soon citing fear of personal attack.I don't think I've ever read such self obsessed drivel in my entire life
Guam said:
As you are reading this Moonbat, why dont you grow the fk up and realise that this is a motoring forum with sardonic humour writ large.
Dont flatter yourself that anyone takes the turgid nonsense you scribe, seriously enough to warrant a "real death threat" you utter pillock!
Please feel free to come on here and respond, plus there is a Climate change thread, where you can come in and try and peddle your particular brand of horest with intellectually capable readers!!
Over to you George!!
Good point! he's happy to make false accusations from the safety of his own website but fails to take the opportunity to come here to argue his case. A real own goal IMOk up and realise that this is a motoring forum with sardonic humour writ large.Dont flatter yourself that anyone takes the turgid nonsense you scribe, seriously enough to warrant a "real death threat" you utter pillock!
Please feel free to come on here and respond, plus there is a Climate change thread, where you can come in and try and peddle your particular brand of hores
t with intellectually capable readers!!Over to you George!!
Having just waded through the comments on that article, I notice that there are quite a few variations on "Maybe there's an undercover policeman logged on at Pistonheads right now?? Or one even married to a Pistonheads user?"
Perhaps somebody ought to post the information over there that there are many serving and retired Plod using PH. Or would that detract just a little bit from the sensationalism of the article?
Perhaps somebody ought to post the information over there that there are many serving and retired Plod using PH. Or would that detract just a little bit from the sensationalism of the article?
LongQ said:
Someone seems to have upset that nice mild Mr. Monbiot.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbio...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbio...
That is the absolutely the funniest thing that I have seen in ages.
How on Earth did you find this thread, George? Were you massaging your ego by Googling yourself?
Don
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Quote from MBs article about this thread
"I have a couple of other observations. These are events designed to allow my opponents as well as my supporters or anyone else to speak. People who contribute to the Pistonheads forum are as welcome as anyone to come and have an argument – as long as they leave their weapons behind. But it seems that they don't want a debate. They want to silence those with whom they disagree, and they fantasise about doing so by killing them."
Come on, who has fantasies about George?
"I have a couple of other observations. These are events designed to allow my opponents as well as my supporters or anyone else to speak. People who contribute to the Pistonheads forum are as welcome as anyone to come and have an argument – as long as they leave their weapons behind. But it seems that they don't want a debate. They want to silence those with whom they disagree, and they fantasise about doing so by killing them."
Come on, who has fantasies about George?
I just told my missus about this thread. After explaining that Monbiot was a Guardian blogger who was going to go on a tour where the public could debate with him, she replied "Pompous... pompous git".
Delingpole is going to think that all his Christmases(sp?) have come at once when he reads Monbiot's piece.
I suspect that George may be suffering from the delusion that real world debate is a bit like the heavily censored Guardian "Comment is Free".
Don
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Delingpole is going to think that all his Christmases(sp?) have come at once when he reads Monbiot's piece.
I suspect that George may be suffering from the delusion that real world debate is a bit like the heavily censored Guardian "Comment is Free".
Don
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