No vote for prisoners

[MOTORVATOR]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12409426

A step in the right direction.

Bit of a shock given what we think of our politicians.

212 majority to tell Europe to poke it.

[Shaw Tarse]

[grumbledoak]

Good on them. The European Court of Human Rights is a power grabbing disgrace.

[chris watton]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12416863

But listen to the voice of reason from the prisoner's point of view....

[Fittster]

Just a case of playing to the gallery.

Prisoners will get the vote but at least our MPs will be able to say "It's not our fault".

[jmorgan]

Who voted for it then? (assume details will be up a bit later).

[Pesty]

Fittster said:

Just a case of playing to the gallery.

Prisoners will get the vote but at least our MPs will be able to say "It's not our fault".

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Gun]

The thing with this is, although most people in this country wouldn't allow them to vote, and quite rightly so, they've got the court of ooomin rights behind them so when they aren't given the vote they'll just go to court and get a payout for it. They're not interested in the right to vote, they just see it as a chance to get a big payout.

[carmonk]

I think locking up prisoners infringes their human rights too, so once sentenced they should just be told to go home and not come out very much. If they like.

[ewenm]

If the Gov had some conviction they'd use this as an opportunity to resign from the EU Convention on Human Rights...

[Gargamel]

Gun said:

The thing with this is, although most people in this country wouldn't allow them to vote, and quite rightly so, they've got the court of ooomin rights behind them so when they aren't given the vote they'll just go to court and get a payout for it. They're not interested in the right to vote, they just see it as a chance to get a big payout.

Who or what is actually going to make us pay though ?

We can just accept the judgement of the court and decline to pay. Or withdraw our funding from the ECHR.

[TheEnd]

I like the options they gave for possible solutions-

1) Vote ban only for long term prisoners
2) Let Judges decide on who to ban
3) Withdraw from Euro Court of Human Rights.

One of them is a nice clear winner.

[gamefreaks]

TheEnd said:

I like the options they gave for possible solutions-

1) Vote ban only for long term prisoners
2) Let Judges decide on who to ban
3) Withdraw from Euro Court of Human Rights.

One of them is a nice clear winner.

I don't see the fuss.

Why don't we just say, "Ok, Judges decide who can and can't vote" and then make sure that every single prisoner has their vote removed by default. Job done!

[davepoth]

carmonk said:

I think locking up prisoners infringes their human rights too, so once sentenced they should just be told to go home and not come out very much. If they like.

[quote=The Human Rights Act, Schedule 1]Article 5

Right to liberty and security

1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law:E+W+S+N.I.

(a)the lawful detention of a person after conviction by a competent court;

(b)the lawful arrest or detention of a person for non-compliance with the lawful order of a court or in order to secure the fulfilment of any obligation prescribed by law;

(c)the lawful arrest or detention of a person effected for the purpose of bringing him before the competent legal authority on reasonable suspicion of having committed an offence or when it is reasonably considered necessary to prevent his committing an offence or fleeing after having done so;

(d)the detention of a minor by lawful order for the purpose of educational supervision or his lawful detention for the purpose of bringing him before the competent legal authority;

(e)the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;

(f)the lawful arrest or detention of a person to prevent his effecting an unauthorised entry into the country or of a person against whom action is being taken with a view to deportation or extradition.

Note that it says "lawful detention", which means it's open to the decision of the ECHR.

[JagLover]

Time to withdraw from the European Court of Human Rights IMO

For those who say we need a check on our elected politicians give our own supreme court sufficient power.

[Stu R]

JagLover said:

Time to withdraw from the European Court of Human Rights IMO

Totally agree.

[JagLover]

carmonk said:

I think locking up prisoners infringes their human rights too, so once sentenced they should just be told to go home and not come out very much. If they like.

Good point

The right to liberty is surely more important than the right to vote so that ruling is surely next on the agenda for the ECHR.

[FourWheelDrift]

"The government says it has to end the ban on inmates voting, or face being sued for tens of millions of pounds."

Not unless we introduce a law that specifically states that it over-rides an EU directive.

[JagLover]

FourWheelDrift said:

"The government says it has to end the ban on inmates voting, or face being sued for tens of millions of pounds."

Not unless we introduce a law that specifically states that it over-rides an EU directive.

It's not the EU

The European court of human rights is a seperate institution that implements the convention on human rights.

[groucho]

fking ridiculous! Not you, the notion.