Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.
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chris watton said:
dickymint said:
Just now on Sky News - Matt Ridley just roasted Mariah McCaffery (CEO of Renewable UK) on the costs and efficiency of wind turbines. Hopefully front page news tomorrow.
Damn - would have liked to have seen that! "Climate change cash pays for forced sterilisation"
Bishop Hill said:
Tens of millions of pounds of UK aid money have been spent on a programme that has forcibly sterilised Indian women and men, the Observer has learned...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/15/uk-aid...
Court documents filed in India earlier this month claim that many victims have been left in pain, with little or no aftercare. Across the country, there have been numerous reports of deaths and of pregnant women suffering miscarriages after being selected for sterilisation without being warned that they would lose their unborn babies.
Yet a working paper published by the UK's Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight climate change as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes. The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases, although it warned that there were "complex human rights and ethical issues" involved in forced population control.
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/4/30/climate-...
The West is doing a fine job in stoking future hatred for us from the East - really, who the hell do these departments think they are - their ideology delpores past 'colonialism', but they have no problem with forced sterilisation for 'poor people' in far away lands! Shameful - if true.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/15/uk-aid...
Court documents filed in India earlier this month claim that many victims have been left in pain, with little or no aftercare. Across the country, there have been numerous reports of deaths and of pregnant women suffering miscarriages after being selected for sterilisation without being warned that they would lose their unborn babies.
Yet a working paper published by the UK's Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight climate change as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes. The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases, although it warned that there were "complex human rights and ethical issues" involved in forced population control.
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/4/30/climate-...
turbobloke said:
Christ, you should see the comments for this story on Slashdot.The most trotted out line from the believers was "the trees we've chopped down to build these wind farms did exactly the same thing".
I'm fairly sure the last time I saw a wind turbine it was considerably larger than a tree.
Oakey said:
turbobloke said:
Christ, you should see the comments for this story on Slashdot.The most trotted out line from the believers was "the trees we've chopped down to build these wind farms did exactly the same thing".
I'm fairly sure the last time I saw a wind turbine it was considerably larger than a tree.
In fact it seems to be a self evident sire selection criteria that land with a lack of tree level growth is probably also subject to relatively active winds, thus making a good location for a disturbine collection 'cos at least the poor output figures will be boosted by every passing draught.
A snip from something just posted by nelly1 in another thread:
Met Office 3-month Outlook
Period: April – June 2012 Issue date: 23.03.12
SUMMARY – PRECIPITATION:
The forecast for average UK rainfall slightly favours drier than average conditions for April-May-June as a whole and also slightly favours April being the driest of the 3 months
Met Office 3-month Outlook
Period: April – June 2012 Issue date: 23.03.12
SUMMARY – PRECIPITATION:
The forecast for average UK rainfall slightly favours drier than average conditions for April-May-June as a whole and also slightly favours April being the driest of the 3 months
And true to form - April is the wettest month for 100 years...
A quite scary read
I particularly like the euphemistic "demand reduction", sounds so innocuous does it not?
I wonder if she is so keen to reduce subsidies for renewable energy? Making the poor subsidies the wealthy with ridiculous feed in tariffs, does not seem to be a problem for her at all.
I particularly like the euphemistic "demand reduction", sounds so innocuous does it not?
I wonder if she is so keen to reduce subsidies for renewable energy? Making the poor subsidies the wealthy with ridiculous feed in tariffs, does not seem to be a problem for her at all.
Edited by Traveller on Tuesday 1st May 10:49
Greenpeace protesters blockade Centrica HQ over energy bills
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/30/...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/30/...
Chemical Industry Threatens To Exit Britain Over Green Energy Costs
High energy costs have emerged as the top concern of British chemical and pharmaceutical companies, according to the sector’s main trade association. Green policies such as the introduction of a carbon price floor – designed to encourage low-carbon forms of electricity generation, including nuclear power – have also hit the industry. Last November, the government offered compensation to heavy energy users to mitigate the effects of the carbon price floor and the EU emissions trading system on electricity costs. But the Chemical Industries Association said it was not enough. “They’ve got to shield the industry, or it will just go elsewhere,” said Alan Eastwood, the association’s economics adviser.
Guy Chazan, Financial Times, 01 May 2012
Germans face a new Dark Age
Electricity prices are rising in Germany - and citizen with a low-income are suffering particularly. 10 to 15 percent of Germans are now struggling to pay their energy bills. 600,000 households have the electricity turned off every year.
Handelsblatt, 30 April 2012
High energy costs have emerged as the top concern of British chemical and pharmaceutical companies, according to the sector’s main trade association. Green policies such as the introduction of a carbon price floor – designed to encourage low-carbon forms of electricity generation, including nuclear power – have also hit the industry. Last November, the government offered compensation to heavy energy users to mitigate the effects of the carbon price floor and the EU emissions trading system on electricity costs. But the Chemical Industries Association said it was not enough. “They’ve got to shield the industry, or it will just go elsewhere,” said Alan Eastwood, the association’s economics adviser.
Guy Chazan, Financial Times, 01 May 2012
Germans face a new Dark Age
Electricity prices are rising in Germany - and citizen with a low-income are suffering particularly. 10 to 15 percent of Germans are now struggling to pay their energy bills. 600,000 households have the electricity turned off every year.
Handelsblatt, 30 April 2012
An historical perspective on Arctic ice extent from WUWT;
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/cache-of-his...
So the ice has come and gone at various times in the past and all of it down to nature not man - shock, horror.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/cache-of-his...
So the ice has come and gone at various times in the past and all of it down to nature not man - shock, horror.
dickymint said:
Greenpeace protesters blockade Centrica HQ over energy bills
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/30/...
Ah, joined up thinking at its best...http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/30/...
Policies to reduce global warming may be doing more harm than good to public health in both developing and industrialised countries. This is the conclusion of a new report published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
• Global warming does not currently rank among the top public health threats
• The contribution of much-publicized 'Extreme Weather Events' to global mortality is negligible and declining
• Poverty is a much larger public health threat than global warming
• Present climate policies are already adding to death and disease
• Focused adaptation to climate change and/or economic development would provide greater health benefits at lower costs than climate mitigation policies
http://thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/gok...
• Global warming does not currently rank among the top public health threats
• The contribution of much-publicized 'Extreme Weather Events' to global mortality is negligible and declining
• Poverty is a much larger public health threat than global warming
• Present climate policies are already adding to death and disease
• Focused adaptation to climate change and/or economic development would provide greater health benefits at lower costs than climate mitigation policies
http://thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/gok...
Hope it's not a repost, but just about sums up OUR current position.
"I'd convince Americans that Europe has it right, and America has it wrong." [If I wanted America to fail]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
"I'd convince Americans that Europe has it right, and America has it wrong." [If I wanted America to fail]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
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