Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

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chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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dickymint said:
Just now on Sky News - Matt Ridley just roasted Mariah McCaffery (CEO of Renewable UK) on the costs and efficiency of wind turbines. Hopefully front page news tomorrow.
Damn - would have liked to have seen that!

IainT

10,040 posts

238 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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chris watton said:
dickymint said:
Just now on Sky News - Matt Ridley just roasted Mariah McCaffery (CEO of Renewable UK) on the costs and efficiency of wind turbines. Hopefully front page news tomorrow.
Damn - would have liked to have seen that!
It'll be replayed for the next 24h on repeat news re-cycle I suspect as is the way with current news channels.

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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"Climate change cash pays for forced sterilisation"

Bishop Hill said:
Tens of millions of pounds of UK aid money have been spent on a programme that has forcibly sterilised Indian women and men, the Observer has learned...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/15/uk-aid...

Court documents filed in India earlier this month claim that many victims have been left in pain, with little or no aftercare. Across the country, there have been numerous reports of deaths and of pregnant women suffering miscarriages after being selected for sterilisation without being warned that they would lose their unborn babies.

Yet a working paper published by the UK's Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight climate change as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes. The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases, although it warned that there were "complex human rights and ethical issues" involved in forced population control.

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/4/30/climate-...
The West is doing a fine job in stoking future hatred for us from the East - really, who the hell do these departments think they are - their ideology delpores past 'colonialism', but they have no problem with forced sterilisation for 'poor people' in far away lands! Shameful - if true.

IainT

10,040 posts

238 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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That's utterly shocking.

I can understand India wanting to curb it's population growth issues but we should not be funding that kind of thing - the incentives for carrying out as many in as little time can only lead to suffering.

Oakey

27,583 posts

216 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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turbobloke said:
Believers in a spin as windfarms cause warming?!

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Christ, you should see the comments for this story on Slashdot.

The most trotted out line from the believers was "the trees we've chopped down to build these wind farms did exactly the same thing".

I'm fairly sure the last time I saw a wind turbine it was considerably larger than a tree.

LongQ

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13,864 posts

233 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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Oakey said:
turbobloke said:
Believers in a spin as windfarms cause warming?!

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Christ, you should see the comments for this story on Slashdot.

The most trotted out line from the believers was "the trees we've chopped down to build these wind farms did exactly the same thing".

I'm fairly sure the last time I saw a wind turbine it was considerably larger than a tree.
Many things are different in the States but I can't think of any locations I have seen in the UK that would have involved chopping down trees in substantial quantities. (Especially off-shore ....)

In fact it seems to be a self evident sire selection criteria that land with a lack of tree level growth is probably also subject to relatively active winds, thus making a good location for a disturbine collection 'cos at least the poor output figures will be boosted by every passing draught.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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Diderot said:
turbobloke said:
Believers in a spin as windfarms cause warming?!

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rofl
Oh, no, what now...?

I know...cool the area with big fans...

No, wait....

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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Oakey said:
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The most trotted out line from the believers was "the trees we've chopped down to build these wind farms did exactly the same thing".

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Does that mean we should chop all the trees down to battle climate change?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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rofl

turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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A snip from something just posted by nelly1 in another thread:

Met Office 3-month Outlook
Period: April – June 2012 Issue date: 23.03.12
SUMMARY – PRECIPITATION:
The forecast for average UK rainfall slightly favours drier than average conditions for April-May-June as a whole and also slightly favours April being the driest of the 3 months

wobble

nelly1

5,630 posts

231 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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hehe

The barstewards will just use this as a further excuse to demand that new massively expensive supercomputer...so they can be spectacularly wrong with an even greater degree of accuracy.

Traveller

4,164 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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A quite scary read

I particularly like the euphemistic "demand reduction", sounds so innocuous does it not?

I wonder if she is so keen to reduce subsidies for renewable energy? Making the poor subsidies the wealthy with ridiculous feed in tariffs, does not seem to be a problem for her at all.


Edited by Traveller on Tuesday 1st May 10:49

dickymint

24,346 posts

258 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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Greenpeace protesters blockade Centrica HQ over energy bills

banghead

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/30/...

turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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wobble

turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2012
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Chemical Industry Threatens To Exit Britain Over Green Energy Costs

High energy costs have emerged as the top concern of British chemical and pharmaceutical companies, according to the sector’s main trade association. Green policies such as the introduction of a carbon price floor – designed to encourage low-carbon forms of electricity generation, including nuclear power – have also hit the industry. Last November, the government offered compensation to heavy energy users to mitigate the effects of the carbon price floor and the EU emissions trading system on electricity costs. But the Chemical Industries Association said it was not enough. “They’ve got to shield the industry, or it will just go elsewhere,” said Alan Eastwood, the association’s economics adviser.
Guy Chazan, Financial Times, 01 May 2012

Germans face a new Dark Age

Electricity prices are rising in Germany - and citizen with a low-income are suffering particularly. 10 to 15 percent of Germans are now struggling to pay their energy bills. 600,000 households have the electricity turned off every year.
Handelsblatt, 30 April 2012

stevejh

799 posts

204 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2012
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An historical perspective on Arctic ice extent from WUWT;

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/cache-of-his...

So the ice has come and gone at various times in the past and all of it down to nature not man - shock, horror.

Jasandjules

69,910 posts

229 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2012
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dickymint said:
Greenpeace protesters blockade Centrica HQ over energy bills

banghead

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/30/...
Ah, joined up thinking at its best...

turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2012
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Policies to reduce global warming may be doing more harm than good to public health in both developing and industrialised countries. This is the conclusion of a new report published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

• Global warming does not currently rank among the top public health threats

• The contribution of much-publicized 'Extreme Weather Events' to global mortality is negligible and declining

• Poverty is a much larger public health threat than global warming

• Present climate policies are already adding to death and disease

• Focused adaptation to climate change and/or economic development would provide greater health benefits at lower costs than climate mitigation policies

http://thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/gok...

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2012
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Hope it's not a repost, but just about sums up OUR current position.

"I'd convince Americans that Europe has it right, and America has it wrong." [If I wanted America to fail]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
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