Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

[IainT]

LongQ said:

IainT said:

Pretty smart of them buying off an organisation capable of doing them great harm.

In what way would you contend that WWF would do harm to Samsung (specifically) in ways that it is not already doing harm to the rest of us?

And why, having coughed up once, would the blackmailer not expect further returns from the blackmailed? (if that is what you are suggesting could be the case.)

I'm sure they'll keep paying them off. Organisations like the WWF are capable of choosing a company and making them scapegoats for some non-issue or issue that is unrelated to the company. Not quite FoE but...

[Pointman]

In the blogosphere, the statistics on the number of hits their sites have been receiving have been moving steadily downwards for some time. Indeed, they’ve already started folding some of the deserted sites together, in the hope of boosting their visitors. In ten years time, a few of those sites may still be around; moribund, largely deserted except for a few depressed activists bemoaning the death of the green dream and occasionally sallying out to have a squabble at what will be by then mainstream realist sites, if only to relieve the tedium.

http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/lies-d...

I just love watching their stats go through the floor. Nice being a winner, innit?

Pointman

[turbobloke]

Pointman said:

I just love watching their stats go through the floor. Nice being a winner, innit?

Pointman

Good about the stats but bad in terms of the wider picture and how political foolishness allied to a fear of egg on face can get in the way and cause delays in dawning reality. The approach seems to be to let the players retire from the scene, retire from politics (meaning political scientists also) and even retire from life before the myths are hung out to dry along with anybody left who forgot to implement their exit strategy.

[Jasandjules]

turbobloke said:

Good about the stats but bad in terms of the wider picture and how political foolishness allied to a fear of egg on face can get in the way and cause delays in dawning reality. The approach seems to be to let the players retire from the scene, retire from politics (meaning political scientists also) and even retire from life before the myths are hung out to dry along with anybody left who forgot to implement their exit strategy.

Unless I get into power at which point I will have them hunted down and tried, convicted and sentenced no matter how old they are, for what they have done to so many.

[chris watton]

Love this - playing the Greens at their own game, and the Greens, naturally, don't like it...



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/1...

[turbobloke]

It gets noticed even on PH if we 'play the green game' back at its inventors - yet this is an approach endorsed by Shakespeare and perfectly fair game. Irony is allowed everywhere. No doubt the greens hate this latest example, which is good.

[kiteless]

chris watton said:

Love this - playing the Greens at their own game, and the Greens, naturally, don't like it...



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/1...

Aye, and the warmists retaliate with this st:

http://www.desmogblog.com/norwegian-terrorist-ande...

[Mr GrimNasty]

turbobloke said:

Maybe you misunderstand - there's no harm in us joining in to lighen the mood. It happens all the time.

Also we all remember the rules very well.

If it's warmer than expected, it's not weather it's climate.

If it's cooler than expected it's weather.

If there's weather anywhere that's different to the previous day/week/month/year then it's climate chaos.

In fact if there is weather anywhere, at any time. it may not be weather as we know it.

On a more scientific note, a dangerous thing for the politics thread, the discontinuity in solar eruptivity which set off the most recent decline in activity was October 2005. Data from several recent decades shows a lag time of between 4 to 8 years from eruptivity forcing to climate.

I haven't misunderstood. You just lose credibility in doing it is my point. And you can slip and slide and say you're joking and doing a pastiche. But when a certain person goes on about BBC weather station reporting anomalies incessantly and quite clearly believes it is part of some massive conspiracy to under-record temperatures.... well..... fantasy fairies really are on the rampage.

[mybrainhurts]

Are you aware of what the BBC has to lose when the truth is universally accepted?

[Globs]

Mr GrimNasty said:

I haven't misunderstood. You just lose credibility in doing it is my point. And you can slip and slide and say you're joking and doing a pastiche. But when a certain person goes on about BBC weather station reporting anomalies incessantly and quite clearly believes it is part of some massive conspiracy to under-record temperatures.... well..... fantasy fairies really are on the rampage.

They always say it's warmer when I am that my thermometer (and the university weather station).
The BBC gave up journalism a long time ago, I seldom refer to them now and never watch any of their news - even if I could stand the pointlessly irritating thumpy-thump, thumpy-thump, thumpy-thump, over the new intros that makes me switch over before the 3rd Thump.

[Jasandjules]

Mr GrimNasty said:

I haven't misunderstood. You just lose credibility in doing it is my point. And you can slip and slide and say you're joking and doing a pastiche. But when a certain person goes on about BBC weather station reporting anomalies incessantly and quite clearly believes it is part of some massive conspiracy to under-record temperatures.... well..... fantasy fairies really are on the rampage.

Actually I have frequently seen my local BBC reporting temperatures for my area which do not accord with the temperatures.... Usually 2-3 degrees higher on the BBC, including when they report the highest of the day. So whilst I don't know if there is any deliberate act, I certainly would not be shocked by it (disgusted of course but not hugely surprised)

[turbobloke]

Mr GrimNasty said:

turbobloke said:

Maybe you misunderstand - there's no harm in us joining in to lighen the mood. It happens all the time.

Also we all remember the rules very well.

If it's warmer than expected, it's not weather it's climate.

If it's cooler than expected it's weather.

If there's weather anywhere that's different to the previous day/week/month/year then it's climate chaos.

In fact if there is weather anywhere, at any time. it may not be weather as we know it.

On a more scientific note, a dangerous thing for the politics thread, the discontinuity in solar eruptivity which set off the most recent decline in activity was October 2005. Data from several recent decades shows a lag time of between 4 to 8 years from eruptivity forcing to climate.

I haven't misunderstood. You just lose credibility in doing it is my point.

Not at all, at least not in people who can identify and understand irony.

The credibility problem rests with believers and their junkscience, along with the corrupted data that still can't prop up the junk. However, that's for the science thread mostly.

[powerstroke]

turbobloke said:

Not at all, at least not in people who can identify and understand irony.

The credibility problem rests with believers and their junkscience, along with the corrupted data that still can't prop up the junk. However, that's for the science thread mostly.

Maybe it should be in a religion or fraud thread!!!!

[turbobloke]

powerstroke said:

turbobloke said:

Not at all, at least not in people who can identify and understand irony.

The credibility problem rests with believers and their junkscience, along with the corrupted data that still can't prop up the junk. However, that's for the science thread mostly.

Maybe it should be in a religion or fraud thread!!!!

Good point, science isn't really apt in this case. Thermos dynamics, tractor kinetics and jumper pumps don't qualify.

[thinfourth2]

nelly1 said:

An amusing take on both sides of the argument:-

Pro AGW



Anti AGW

Pretty close to the truth

You have real global warming which may result in it getting a tiny bit warmer

Then you have daily mail global warming which will result in the death of the entire universe


I belive in real global warming but laugh my socks off at daily mail global warm as peddled by the government

[turbobloke]

The Mail, and particularly The Express, are far from peddlers of the government line. You mean The Guardian and The Independent supported by The Times.

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

The Mail, and particularly The Express, are far from peddlers of the government line. You mean The Guardian and The Independent supported by The Times.

Or anyone operating in the 'style' of a Daily Mail 'campaign'.

[dickymint]

turbobloke said:

The Mail, and particularly The Express, are far from peddlers of the government line. You mean The Guardian and The Independent supported by The Times.

Yep the Mail says that It was them dinosaurs wot done it.......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-214...

[Globs]

thinfourth2 said:

I belive in real global warming but laugh my socks off at daily mail global warm as peddled by the government

What warming?
Seriously - have you been outside recently?
More frost forcast for the 2nd week in May too.....

[chris watton]

Strong words used against CRU from WUWT!

"East Anglia Climatic Research Unit shown to be liars by results of latest FOIA ruling and investigation"

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/06/east-anglia-...