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odyssey2200

18,650 posts

106 months

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Of course the Disciples Of Gore would never rig a poll, cherry pick data, withhold information, hide emails, lie, fabricate evidence, make up a hockey stick to support their goals, would they?


Oh, hold on.......

kerplunk

3,052 posts

103 months

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deeps said:
I think you're being a little blinkered here Kerplunk.

I'm surprised the warmists can muster up 30% on the yes vote to be honest, I'd have thought it would've been closer to 10% yes/90% no. I would guess they've been canvassing for votes in a more fanatical fashion than the realists given that they are fanatical about this issue and are far more likely than realists to take the time to vote at all. That's why the 'yes' appears overly supported.
I'm sure the WUWT crowd will get it there eventually biggrin

I think you have a warped view of what 'warmists' think. I seriously doubt any of the pro-AGW sites I take notice of would canvass their readership for votes on such a simplistic YES/NO poll. I would find it extremely disappointing if they did and expect lots of others to think so too and say so.


Diderot

3,175 posts

89 months

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Guam said:
odyssey2200 said:
Of course the Disciples Of Gore would never rig a poll, cherry pick data, withhold information, hide emails, lie, fabricate evidence, make up a hockey stick to support their goals, would they?


Oh, hold on.......
hehe
Look guys please be fair to KP - he's had a busy time of late trying to find out where that missing warming went for the past 15 years. He's still not found it, so have a heart.

Diderot

3,175 posts

89 months

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kerplunk said:
deeps said:
I think you're being a little blinkered here Kerplunk.

I'm surprised the warmists can muster up 30% on the yes vote to be honest, I'd have thought it would've been closer to 10% yes/90% no. I would guess they've been canvassing for votes in a more fanatical fashion than the realists given that they are fanatical about this issue and are far more likely than realists to take the time to vote at all. That's why the 'yes' appears overly supported.
I'm sure the WUWT crowd will get it there eventually biggrin

I think you have a warped view of what 'warmists' think. I seriously doubt any of the pro-AGW sites I take notice of would canvass their readership for votes on such a simplistic YES/NO poll. I would find it extremely disappointing if they did and expect lots of others to think so too and say so.
What you mean like the questions used to base the false assertion about scientific consensus on?

Ali G

1,819 posts

179 months

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kerplunk said:
I'm sure the WUWT crowd will get it there eventually biggrin

I think you have a warped view of what 'warmists' think. I seriously doubt any of the pro-AGW sites I take notice of would canvass their readership for votes on such a simplistic YES/NO poll. I would find it extremely disappointing if they did and expect lots of others to think so too and say so.
How very noble!

This vid produced by your mates is pretty unacceptable in terms of 'putting the argument across'

10:10 Exploding Head

Agree?
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kerplunk

3,052 posts

103 months

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Ali G said:
How very noble!

This vid produced by your mates is pretty unacceptable in terms of 'putting the argument across'

10:10 Exploding Head

Agree?
oh look a squirrel.

The video (by Ben Elton iirc) is trying to use black-humour to grab attention but was rather chronically misjudged and failed to get many laughs - a real face-palm moment (which of course makes it very funny)

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

106 months

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Diderot said:
Guam said:
odyssey2200 said:
Of course the Disciples Of Gore would never rig a poll, cherry pick data, withhold information, hide emails, lie, fabricate evidence, make up a hockey stick to support their goals, would they?


Oh, hold on.......
hehe
Look guys please be fair to KP - he's had a busy time of late trying to find out where that missing warming went for the past 15 years. He's still not found it, so have a heart.
WHOA THERE!!

WTF is KP looking for the missing warm?

I have been waiting for him to find the link between MM C02 and climate change for the last 18 month and you come along and jump the queue!

irked

Priorities KP, come on!!

getmecoat

Ali G

1,819 posts

179 months

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kerplunk said:
oh look a squirrel.

The video (by Ben Elton iirc) is trying to use black-humour to grab attention but was rather chronically misjudged and failed to get many laughs - a real face-palm moment (which of course makes it very funny)
Oh, how I laughed.

rolleyes

rovermorris999

3,180 posts

86 months

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Mayor Bloomberg of New York is endorsing Obama because he says he has the right ideas on climate change. He seems to be blaming Sandy on climate change.
All according to C4 News.

LongQ

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11,039 posts

130 months

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kerplunk said:
I'm sure the WUWT crowd will get it there eventually biggrin

I think you have a warped view of what 'warmists' think. I seriously doubt any of the pro-AGW sites I take notice of would canvass their readership for votes on such a simplistic YES/NO poll. I would find it extremely disappointing if they did and expect lots of others to think so too and say so.
How long is your memory?

Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

73 months

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rovermorris999 said:
Mayor Bloomberg of New York is endorsing Obama because he says he has the right ideas on climate change. He seems to be blaming Sandy on climate change.
All according to C4 News.
That charlatan demagog underachiever would blame anyone for anything... except himself. Scientific credentials are what, exactly? Come on Romney...

LongQ

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11,039 posts

130 months

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Lost_BMW said:
rovermorris999 said:
Mayor Bloomberg of New York is endorsing Obama because he says he has the right ideas on climate change. He seems to be blaming Sandy on climate change.
All according to C4 News.
That charlatan demagog underachiever would blame anyone for anything... except himself. Scientific credentials are what, exactly? Come on Romney...
Obama has ideas on Climate Change?

To understand recent Mayors of New York is either not easy or damn simple. I suspect the latter. Mr. Livingston attempted the position but was mismatched.

Johnson, on the other hand, understands it much better.

Theatre and circus and keep the plates spinning. Do whatever it takes to get the punters to buy tickets. Only let them see the elephants when they are performing to plan in the ring.

They are probably all too clever for our own good. Indcluding the elephants.

kerplunk

3,052 posts

103 months

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LongQ said:
How long is your memory?
Varies on a daily basis.

Make your point caller.

(Sorry I didn't respond to your other post btw. I was interested to read your perceptions and preferences but don't have much to add)

turbobloke

67,640 posts

157 months

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Former Conservative Chancellor Lord Lawson said:
I would welcome the minister’s statements. I would hope they would translate into a moratorium [on wind farms]. An additional problem is that wind power is one of the most expensive forms of generating electricity there is. At a time when there is so much concern both from households and industry about the cost of energy, that too should be a decisive argument against going this way.

kerplunk

3,052 posts

103 months

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Huffingtonpost/YouGov poll on global warming/hurricane sandy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/climate-c...

Global warming refers to increases in the earth’s temperature. In your opinion, is global warming occurring, or not?

Global warming is occurring - 61.3%
Global warming is not occurring - 18.4%
Not sure - 20.3%


Do you think that the storm affecting the East Coast this week is related to global warming, or not?

Is related - 31.9%
Is not related - 34.4%
Nor sure - 33.7%



A couple of observations...

Big difference from the USNews poll (on the NO side) - colour me surprised!

People who believe in global warming don't necessarily vote yes on the hurricane sandy issue.

LongQ

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11,039 posts

130 months

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kerplunk said:
LongQ said:
How long is your memory?
Varies on a daily basis.

Make your point caller.

(Sorry I didn't respond to your other post btw. I was interested to read your perceptions and preferences but don't have much to add)
Mine too .... varies on a daily basis that is.

There certainly have been times in past years when the vanguard "warmist" sites coralled their readership into attempts to swamp opinion related 'polls'. Unless there was something nefarious (or seemingly nefarious) going on with the poll in question I don't recall many attempts that worked. However I would not claim to be aware of all of them or even a small proportion.

I think after a while they realised they were likely to be outvoted on anything a "non-warmist" site picked up on and applied the same sort of voting tactics. It mattered not whether votes were recorded and only single votes allowed (somehow) or repeat votes per day were acceptable to the poll. The efforts usually seemed to be outnumbered which, considering the apparent availability of some of the "warmists" to be full time on-line presences despite apparently holding paying jobs, was interesting.

In the main, from what I can recall, the "votes" tended to split something like 70:30 or 60:40 mostly. Fairly consistent so one could suggest, perhaps tongue in cheek, that they were statistically significant even if scientifically questionable.

Evidence of repeated failures of strategy would not be welcome, presumably, so best to abandon the strategy or, perhaps, hide the evidence. No need to make the calls to arms public once a private communications network has been established? I have no idea if that is what has happened but there certainly seem to be examples of rapid crowd creation from time to time for "blogosphere" pieces with comments enabled and a number of "warmists" as first responders.

Games for all. It probably matters little in the medium to long term.

Silver Smudger

2,354 posts

64 months

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kerplunk said:
Huffingtonpost/YouGov poll on global warming/hurricane sandy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/climate-c...

Global warming refers to increases in the earth’s temperature. In your opinion, is global warming occurring, or not?

Global warming is occurring - 61.3%
Global warming is not occurring - 18.4%
Not sure - 20.3%


Do you think that the storm affecting the East Coast this week is related to global warming, or not?

Is related - 31.9%
Is not related - 34.4%
Nor sure - 33.7%
A couple of observations of my own...

Huffingtonpost said:
According to the new survey, conducted Oct. 29-30, 51 percent of Americans say climate change is related to more frequent and severe natural disasters, while 23 percent say it is not....

Do you think changes in the global climate are...?
  • Related to more frequent and severe natural disasters
  • Unrelated to more frequent and severe natural disasters
  • Not sure
Making the assumption in the question that natural disasters are in fact 'more frequent and severe' without backing it up. How should one answer if one does not feel one has seen any evidence that they are actually getting 'more frequent and severe' ? Why do so many believers not think Sandy falls into the aforementioned category ?

Then on a linked page -
Huffingtonpost said:
Today, another multi-billion-dollar weather disaster -- the very sort that scientists have been predicting for years would increase in frequency and intensity as the planet heats up -- is now bearing down on the American East Coast.
Again implying that storms 'would increase in frequency and intensity' and linking this to the planet heating up, based on careful scientific study a marked rise in insurance claims, in a period when Americans are increasingly pushed for ready cash....

and
Huffingtonpost said:
"The irony is that the two presidential candidates decided not to speak about climate change, and now they are seeing the climate speak to them," said Tidwell. "That's really what's happening here. The climate is now speaking to them -- and to everyone else."
A very disappointing opinion poll result for the warmists in that publication, I feel - They are just not absorbing the message correctly are they?

mybrainhurts

81,570 posts

152 months

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kerplunk said:
Bless their self-deluding hearts smile
You've got the hang of this irony thing now, haven't you...?

deeps

4,337 posts

138 months

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kerplunk said:
Huffingtonpost/YouGov poll on global warming/hurricane sandy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/climate-c...

Global warming refers to increases in the earth’s temperature. In your opinion, is global warming occurring, or not?

Global warming is occurring - 61.3%
Global warming is not occurring - 18.4%
Not sure - 20.3%


Do you think that the storm affecting the East Coast this week is related to global warming, or not?

Is related - 31.9%
Is not related - 34.4%
Nor sure - 33.7%



A couple of observations...

Big difference from the USNews poll (on the NO side) - colour me surprised!

People who believe in global warming don't necessarily vote yes on the hurricane sandy issue.
Only 3.4% of Democrats who were chosen answered "global warming isn't happening" hehe, mad if true!

Article said:
The new HuffPost/YouGov poll was conducted online Oct. 29-30 among 1,000 U.S. adults and has a margin of error of 5 percentage points. It used a sample that was selected from YouGov's opt-in online panel...
Why use such a tiny sample, it smells of cherry picking respondents to me.



Article said:
Fifty-four percent of poll respondents said they would not be willing to pay 50 percent more on their gas and electricity bills, even if it meant we could stop climate change from occurring
What a ridiculous question, the very concept is absurd and void of logic!




LongQ

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11,039 posts

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deeps said:
What a ridiculous question, the very concept is absurd and void of logic!
Well, we are discussing the Huffington Post here. It's a bit like the Eurozone crisis - it's all Greek to me.


smile

But I see reported that the renown scientist Michael Bloomberg is certain that the NY weather event was caused by Climate Change.

As an alternative theory ... how about it was generated by Goldman Sachs as a means of converting a load of sub-prime mortgages into insurance claims and thereby solving the banking crisis in a trice?

Stupid if course - but perhaps equally plausible.
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