Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

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turbobloke

103,631 posts

259 months

Saturday 9th March 2013
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mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:

Putin clearly has ambitions of filling the vacuum.

UPI, 09 March 2013
Bought a Dyson, has he..?
Sabotaged one by the look of it smile

Art0ir said:
I don't particularly like the man or the way he runs his country, but it shows how the right person can really just crack on and get the job done when given the opportunity.
ISWYM, meanwhile our dud duo CMD and Cleggo are counting carbons while pensioners die of global warming the cold.

Diderot

7,219 posts

191 months

Saturday 9th March 2013
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Hilarious vid from Penn and Teller: http://youtu.be/4v4Q9Wv10Ho

It contains some strong (as opposed to weak) language.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Saturday 9th March 2013
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Diderot said:
Hilarious vid from Penn and Teller: http://youtu.be/4v4Q9Wv10Ho

It contains some strong (as opposed to weak) language.
EPA...

Not Environmental Protection Agency...

Al Gore....Egregiously Pushy Asshole


rofl...beaut

Saved to watch later...smile

AnonSpoilsport

12,955 posts

175 months

Saturday 9th March 2013
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mybrainhurts said:
One has no choice but to concur...

Does one have to be stark, staring, raving mad before one is admitted into membership of the Liberal Democrat Party, or does membership bring the requisite tuition to qualify as a first class barking loony?

I feel another letter to my dear old MP, Mr Clegg, coming on...
Did you listrn to R4'd Any Questions this week. Davey was on and taking quite some flak. He mounted a defence and his main line was that, due to the influence of LibDems in the coalition, "we have increased help to renewable energy suppliers three fold." Aka subsidies to pay for what isn't actually affordable.

I wish a Huhne on Davey.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Saturday 9th March 2013
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AnonSpoilsport said:
mybrainhurts said:
One has no choice but to concur...

Does one have to be stark, staring, raving mad before one is admitted into membership of the Liberal Democrat Party, or does membership bring the requisite tuition to qualify as a first class barking loony?

I feel another letter to my dear old MP, Mr Clegg, coming on...
Did you listrn to R4'd Any Questions this week. Davey was on and taking quite some flak. He mounted a defence and his main line was that, due to the influence of LibDems in the coalition, "we have increased help to renewable energy suppliers three fold." Aka subsidies to pay for what isn't actually affordable.

I wish a Huhne on Davey.
yes

I missed it this week. Good job, my blood pressure might not take it....hehe

Art0ir

9,401 posts

169 months

Sunday 10th March 2013
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Here's the facts so far about wind energy laid out for the Windies.

http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/169521/...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 10th March 2013
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Art0ir said:
Here's the facts so far about wind energy laid out for the Windies.

http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/169521/...
[BennyHill]... Well, that's a surproise, oi must say... [/BennyHill]

Again...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 10th March 2013
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Prof John Brignell on form again...

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2013%20March.htm#pain

Pain yesterday, pain today and pain tomorrow

The death-throes of the global warming fallacy are going to be of long duration, painful and ugly. The carefully constructed orthodoxy, ruthlessly maintained by establishment politicians, academics and media, is rapidly crumbling at the edges. There are signs of panic in the parliaments and news-rooms, yet no signs of concerted action. As always, challenges to articles of faith are met with ever fiercer affirmation and resistance from the adherents. At such times the minutiae of holy writ become more, not less, important. In this enlightened age, Christians are killing Christians and Muslims are killing Muslims over minor differences of interpretation of the scriptures. Western politicians have their creed and nothing else to offer: the deeper in the mire they sink, the more impotent their struggles. They hang on for dear life to the threadbare rope of climate change, studiously ignoring the mounting and overwhelming evidence that it is a chimera.

Christopher Booker, the journalistic Lone Ranger, battling to restore order and justice to the Wild West, cogently points out that a more familiar plot of temperature in Celsius over time fails to show the dramatic effects allegedly revealed by the trendy anomaly plots. The very use of the word “anomaly” to describe departure from a base-line carefully chosen to mislead the innocent is just a crude example of chartmanship. There is nothing anomalous about the natural variation of the estimate of a physical variable.

Here we must enter a caveat: In a sense, Celsius zero just as arbitrary as that of the so-called anomaly. Zeros of temperature scales are essentially subjective; apart from Kelvin, which is impractical for everyday use. That said, the freezing point of water is a much more relevant base to the possibility of life on Earth than some alleged average.

A change of a fraction of a degree has no physical significance. It is the same order of magnitude as the likely errors of computation on dubious measurements, even without the copious evidence of the cooking of the books. Apart from the notorious Climategate and the even more egregious whitewash that exposed the essential corruption of the present establishment, how many have heard of the so-called Kiwigate and the many other known examples of fiddling the numbers?

The costs of the consequent quasi-religious observance are borne by the innocent masses, who are even deprived of the possibility of electoral correction, since virtually all of our political masters are of the faith. Consider just as few of those consequences: the long-lasting, severe damage to our economy; many thousands in desperate fuel poverty; the pointless desecration of our once beautiful landscape etc. All for no cogent reason!

Western governments are thus firmly set on the economic suicide once embodied in Kyoto, while the rest of the world marches on to progress. As the world is turning to coal, the vasty forests of America are being stripped of life to feed the likes of the huge Drax power station in the UK, pointlessly emasculated by EU diktat as sacrifice to the carbophobic religion. This just one of hundreds of examples of self harm practised in the west by governments who have completely lost the plot. They do not even offer their victims the traditional hope of jam tomorrow.

… and the name of the slough was Despond.

10/03/13

LongQ

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13,864 posts

232 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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hidetheelephants said:
turbobloke said:
Eco Madness
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The only positive thing I can see here is that all this makes nuclear seem both cheap and clean; who do I vote for to get it?
You can't. It would take decades to build and long before then the developments will be throown into disarray dues to lack of power to run the machinery needed to complete construction. Unless, of course, they introduced portable nuclear reactors to power the construction process.

And then, when built, they would be owned and run by non UK investors and managers - just like most of the utilities are today. They will find ways to suck ever more cash from the taxpayer to fudn their international operations.

Maybe we should ensure we at the centre of the EU and join the Euro so that as the UK economy fails under the burden of eco-taxation the recovering economies of PIIGS can support us.

LongQ

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13,864 posts

232 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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New developments in Disturbine "Farm" density.

Or at least I assume ther must be some.

I have often read that on of the problems to deal with when designing a Disturbine Farm is the qestions of density. Site the units too closely together and they have a tendency to interfer with the wind flow of the site and greatly reduce effectiveness and efficiency.

But it seems this must be a problem solved.

Alongside the M1 at Crick, near the enormous Tesco distribution centre, has appeared a new installation of Disturbines that seems to occupy but a single field yet has a high density of towers. Visually the density looks far greater than anything else locally despite quite a few Subsidy Farms appearing along the route. I presume the design has allowed the land owner to claim maximum subsidy from his or her land without needing to be concerned about anything as trivial as the effectiveness of power generation. Assuming there will be any.

All part of the industrialisation of the road system I suppose. Why attempt to make travel thorugh the countryside an vaguely pleasant experience when the additions of gantries, concrete walls, industrial and distribution parks and Disturbine farms can keep the inter-city driving populations cocooned in an 'urbanesque' environment between departure and arrival locations.

Actually, is there anyone left who cares?

I found myself dragged along to Ikea in Wembley on Saturday afternoon. It was something like the Tower of Babel. English, or a variety of it, seemed to be in common use amongst the liveried staff but wandering around for a couple of hours I think I only heard 4 or 5 "family groups" using English as a communication medium. The place was packed. I couldn't begin to guess the country of origin of most of the tongues I heard.

For those of us of a certain age born and bred in the 'British' way there may be a misconception about what to expect from our country. Anyone with a London centric view of life on our Islands - politicians in the EU Parish Council of Westminster (hereon referred to as EUPCOW) for example, may well have a very different view of or world than do we.

I suppose it is just possible that, absent any way to legally stop the immigration influx (or so they may think), they are simply playing a long game with disasterous energy policy, high taxation and so on, to make UK and incredibly unattractive place to live and so deter future generations from bothering to make the journey.

Seems like a risky strategy for political continuity. Something more positive might be required to allow our Great Leaders to be written up positively in History, no matter which language would be used.



Otispunkmeyer

12,541 posts

154 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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Blib said:
It's a tragedy that no one is protesting this madness in Westminster. We seem to be living in an Alice in Wonderland world.

A pox on each and every politician and "Green" (sic) fool involved in this insanity.
More to the point it looks like it would all be for naught anyway. We close out handful of coal plants and convert the largest to run on wood from Canada ( which in itself is dumb ). Yet between them India and china are building some 800 odd coal power stations.

Like I said before, the BRICs will more than make up for any minute reductions Europe makes.

Globs

13,841 posts

230 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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Absolutely freezing today, anyone who has gone outside will know just how cold, with ice still on the ground.

After today a few more million will be turned off the global warming scam, as it's patently not warming at all.

Big Al.

68,782 posts

257 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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