Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

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turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Dr Roy Spencer on his blog recently said:
Even if we could substantially reduce U.S. CO2 emissions in the next 20 years, which barring some new technology is virtually impossible, the resulting (theoretically-computed) impact on U.S or global temperatures would be unmeasurable….hundredths of a degree C at best. The cost in terms of human suffering, however, will be immense.


Goferit environ mentalists, grind evil humans into the dirt.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Take a look at this and marvel at those who can operate a keyboard yet fail to understand the concept 'error of omission'.

Click

It's even easier than causality ffs. No wonder both the politics and science are junk in this arena.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Guam said:
Why would anyone be surprised by this,

Every time A realist has tried to be fair to the other side something like this occurs.
I never cease to be amazed at the at the way in which otherwise intelligent folks, allow themselves to believe that this time, it will be different smile
Dr Roy partly believes wink and those commenting who are unaware of 'error of omission' are in a state of blissful ignorance - curiously similar to total belief wobble

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Pesty said:
Where are our investigative journoslist? why are they not doing this kind of thing over here?

watched that whole clip and teh guy showed he was breaking the law.

Where is the Panorama programme on this kind of thing?
It's nowhere, because the BBC can't jeopardise its pension schemes.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Can anybody remember if the British Medical Association started to support this scam a while ago?

I was with a retired surgeon yesterday who's swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The stock words and messages were all there in abundance and I'm curious about where he got it from.

LongQ

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13,864 posts

232 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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mybrainhurts said:
Can anybody remember if the British Medical Association started to support this scam a while ago?

I was with a retired surgeon yesterday who's swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The stock words and messages were all there in abundance and I'm curious about where he got it from.
Probably a guilty conscience. If he was a successful surgeon he would have been helping people stay alive longer and thereby adding to population growth and thus the consumption of 'carbon'.

If you get the opportunity to talk to him again you could perhaps reinforce the story and then point out to him that his entire career was simply a huge mistake that has long term detrimental consequences for mankind that nothing he now does with th rest of his life can atone for. (Well, nothing that is currently legal can atone for ...)

dickymint

24,097 posts

257 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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It's true renewables do create new jobs..................

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/307379/Wind-fa...

rolleyes

nelly1

5,630 posts

230 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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Neat. Has somebody else got zero gain for their pain - more on FakeGate over at Climate Audit.



http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/10/gleick-and-the-...

rasto

2,188 posts

236 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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nelly1 said:
...some great illustrations of how useless wind power is...
Thanks for those, I've posted them to my Facebook wall - it will be interesting to see who responds :-)

kerplunk

7,052 posts

205 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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turbobloke said:
ETA you have to wonder if this is where a certain somebody got their obsession with jumpers and blankets
Strangely, since my single use of the jumper analogy for slowed heat loss you haven't stopped going on about it.

Obsessed; who?

Insecure; who?

The funniest part is that you kept on demanding a 'heat pump' for a jumper to work which is exactly the point - no pump required as wearers of jumpers will attest wink

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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N/A

Tractor kinetics, thermos dynamics, jumper pumps, they say everything about the ignorance of believerism and highlight the junk in junkscience. Clearly it touches a nerve in political animals to have ignorance so clearly indicated and attempts to appeal to authority rendered impotent. Such is life, whine away at me, the problems are all yours and of your own making in swallowing so much information pollution from third raters and then attempting to defend it from a position of knowing and understanding so little.

Indicating some of the problems in an untenable position adopted by others isn't insecurity it's a form of public service interwebbing. Good to know it's being spotted and tweaking the right nerves.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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Back on-topic.

Peter Tatchell said:
The possibility of securing socialism through New Labour or left alternatives like Respect is zero. There is only one left option left - the Green Party, which is why I joined and why I am standing as the Green Party's parliamentary candidate for Oxford East.
Having re-read that, and wondering what happened, it turns out he was well beaten, in that Andrew Smith (Lab) is the sitting MP for Oxford East. The Brighton Watermelon Model of socialism via greenism doesn't seem to be replicable, this lack of replicability being highly apt given the context smile

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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dickymint said:
It's true renewables do create new jobs..................

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/307379/Wind-fa...

rolleyes
Anybody have links to local authority planning sites where we can formally object to these applications?

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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There's some interesting coverage of believer political conditioning and its possibly unintended outcomes over at The Reference Frame.


Dr Mairwen Jones and her co-authors studied 50 patients with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) and looked for the abundance of climate alarmism in this ill sample. The result?

The main result is that 14, or 28 percent, of the patients suffer from the AGWOCD (anthropogenic global warming obsessive compulsive disorder). These patients were, among other things, checking their appliances "to reduce global warming". That's a pretty high percentage. The global warming hoax has become such a powerful component of the mental pathogenes in our environment that it is beginning to prevail in a whole major mental disease.

According to a sentence in the abstract of the paper, "less frequent concerns [than global warming] included pets dying of thirst and one participant was concerned about house damage due to floors cracking, pipes leaking; roof problems and white ant activity. Compulsions included checking and rechecking pet water bowls, light switches, taps, stoves, skirting boards, pipes, roofs and wooden structures." Climate change clearly has some competition but it is dominating at this point.

Some polls indicate that there are dozens of percent of the people in the industrial world who have been brainwashed to take the climate panic seriously. I am not sure whether there are hundreds of millions of available beds in the mental asylums so these statistics may pose a bit of a potential logistical problem at some point. So far, we face no problems of this kind because various institutions of the European Union have teamed up with the psychiatric asylums to store many of these patients.

Although the treatment costs about half a trillion dollars per year at this point, the patients thrive. They are allowed to turn off (and ban) not only light bulbs but also the airlines across Europe and Asia. You may decide whether it is an appropriate cost.

America has also introduced a socialist healthcare system, the so-called Obamacare, but it is still not universal enough for patients such as James Hansen to afford a good mental asylum.



http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/03/study-climate-al...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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rofl

rasto

2,188 posts

236 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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'Carbon footprint consultant' on Countryfile tonight in a section misleadingly titled 'John Craven Investigates'. There's no investigation involved though, just the usual mmgw and carbon footprint claptrap frown I remember when John Craven used to be a journalist, now he's just a mouthpiece for the propaganda machine.

LongQ

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13,864 posts

232 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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rasto said:
'Carbon footprint consultant' on Countryfile tonight in a section misleadingly titled 'John Craven Investigates'. There's no investigation involved though, just the usual mmgw and carbon footprint claptrap frown I remember when John Craven used to be a journalist, now he's just a mouthpiece for the propaganda machine.
I was just about to ask if anyone had seen this program. I don't watch TV but Mrs. LQ does and Countryfile is usually the program of choice as I prepare food on a Sunday evening. I can hear the soundtrack, or some of it.

This weeks snippets seemed to revolve around methane output from meat farming, right?

Last week, iirc (may have been the week before) was a puff piece for the Soil Association, or at least the whole program seemed to be that way inclined.

That overt mention of CC/AGW/you name it seems to have dropped out of news programs mauy be more of a concern than a small victory. If you hide behind nice 'people and animal friendly' programs like Countryfile in order to punt your unquestioned message through the airwaves labeled as an 'Investigation' it seems to me that we are moving to a far more cynical and potentially dangerous stage of the process.

Craven's style of journalism, if you can call it hat, seems to have changed little from hi Blue Peter and Newsround days. He is probably preaching to much the same group of people helping to keep them dumbed down. Those poeple are likely to be the next generation of 'influencers'. Not a happy thought.

Now, why would the BBC seem to be so keen to march that path?

Globs

13,841 posts

230 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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LongQ said:
rasto said:
'Carbon footprint consultant' on Countryfile tonight in a section misleadingly titled 'John Craven Investigates'. There's no investigation involved though, just the usual mmgw and carbon footprint claptrap frown I remember when John Craven used to be a journalist, now he's just a mouthpiece for the propaganda machine.
I was just about to ask if anyone had seen this program. I don't watch TV but Mrs. LQ does and Countryfile is usually the program of choice as I prepare food on a Sunday evening. I can hear the soundtrack, or some of it.
Just caught the end of this. Are people really still batting on about 'carbon footprint' and being 'carbon neutral' ??
FFS, I reckon a good 95% of the population is sick of this scam now, time to close it down.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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