Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.
Discussion
Lost_BMW said:
Just heard Osborne's speech to Conference - some v. promising comments about developing shale gas and the UK not being allowed to fall back behind other countries who use their resources!
Will this signal a shift on wind power too?
How many politicians have their fingers in the wind power pie? I find that little bit of info usually acts as a crystal ball to a lot of policies Will this signal a shift on wind power too?
Art0ir said:
“We consider that a binding 2030 target for power sector decarbonisation would help to reduce the political risk currently associated with long term UK industrial investment.”What does that gobbledybollix mean - words, words without sense, just totally meaningless drivel... oh hang on this is it:
"The targets would effectively promise a return on the investments made by the seven companies but could land businesses and consumers with higher costs.
And the trade unions, presumably working only for workers in that one inefficiently (and corruptly) subsidised industry are wanting to stop the economic benefits to the UK that would accrue from the major use of home sourced gas? Idiots. Partisan idiots.
Companies and investors joined with trade unions, environmental groups and industry bodies to warn Mr Osborne that support for gas power into the 2030s is undermining investment in UK electricity infrastructure.
"In an open letter to the Chancellor on the day he addresses the Conservative Party conference, they demand a target in legislation to decarbonise the power sector to unleash a needed £110 billion investment in electricity supplies."
At our cost no doubt...
"The battle over energy policy was ignited when Mr Davey, a Liberal Democrat, saw off Tory calls for significant cuts to onshore wind farm subsidies - at the price of support for gas up to and beyond 2030.
Wonder where Davey will end up once the Liberal melt down hits seat level and he is out of a tax payer funded job. Energy industry anyone?
Note that this letter was 'organised' (instigated) by this lot:
http://www.aldersgategroup.org.uk/
Just a look at the front page says it all. But how do they manage to taint and buy off leaders in so many firms - it's like some new religion where they get caught up in the messianic drive and guilt trip, so they follow like subscribed sheep.
Guam said:
And the destruction of Rain Forests for Palm Oil continues unabated.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/08/al-gores-pal...
Al Gore involved in "a globally significant source of carbon dioxide emissions"...?http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/08/al-gores-pal...
Shurely shome mishtake...??
Lost_BMW said:
Just heard Osborne's speech to Conference - some v. promising comments about developing shale gas and the UK not being allowed to fall back behind other countries who use their resources!
Will this signal a shift on wind power too?
Unfortunately in the same breath he said he was committed to renewables as well. Will this signal a shift on wind power too?
Jasandjules said:
chris watton said:
I think this is so wrong on every level.
I had a similar issue with EU law at Uni. The answers they wanted were about how wonderful the EU is. When I got my paper remarked it went up rather a lot..... Jasandjules said:
motco said:
In what way is that morally worse than what you describe?
Are you suggesting that two wrongs do make a right?According to Roger Harrabin at the BBC the EU has realised that they can now go public with misleading propaganda and people probably won't care.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19868580
You probably need to read the pipe dreams yourselves but here is an example.
"The vision is being transmitted through the Commission's website world-you-like and also Facebook and Twitter.
These will create space for positive examples of tackling climate change throughout Europe, including schemes to use excess body heat from one building to warm another (Sweden); allow neighbours to use your car (UK); and generate energy from landfill (Latvia).
Experts in media and marketing have criticised politicians in the past for failing to show people how climate policies could make their own lives better in the short term, as well as reducing planetary risk in the longer term."
So, threesomes from Sweden, an insurance trap from the UK and Latvia playing catch-up.
Is this meant for adults or are the tales aimed at classrooms?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19868580
You probably need to read the pipe dreams yourselves but here is an example.
"The vision is being transmitted through the Commission's website world-you-like and also Facebook and Twitter.
These will create space for positive examples of tackling climate change throughout Europe, including schemes to use excess body heat from one building to warm another (Sweden); allow neighbours to use your car (UK); and generate energy from landfill (Latvia).
Experts in media and marketing have criticised politicians in the past for failing to show people how climate policies could make their own lives better in the short term, as well as reducing planetary risk in the longer term."
So, threesomes from Sweden, an insurance trap from the UK and Latvia playing catch-up.
Is this meant for adults or are the tales aimed at classrooms?
What really bothers me about this political game, apart from the theft, is the deaths:
http://www.energyefficiencynews.com/articles/i/466...
http://www.energyefficiencynews.com/articles/i/466...
Office_for_National_Statistics said:
"As the consultation on the government’s Green Deal energy efficiency scheme is scheduled to be published, the latest official figures indicate that excess winter deaths for 2010/11 reached 25,700.The figure from the Office for National Statistics is largely unchanged from last year but fuel poverty charity National Energy Action(NEA) says the cold spell in December precipitated a 38% increase in deaths across England and Wales.'
The pseudo-science activists and their deluded hangers on have blood on their hands.Globs said:
What really bothers me about this political game, apart from the theft, is the deaths:
http://www.energyefficiencynews.com/articles/i/466...
A stealth solution to the pension crisis?http://www.energyefficiencynews.com/articles/i/466...
Office_for_National_Statistics said:
"As the consultation on the government’s Green Deal energy efficiency scheme is scheduled to be published, the latest official figures indicate that excess winter deaths for 2010/11 reached 25,700.The figure from the Office for National Statistics is largely unchanged from last year but fuel poverty charity National Energy Action(NEA) says the cold spell in December precipitated a 38% increase in deaths across England and Wales.'
The pseudo-science activists and their deluded hangers on have blood on their hands.LongQ said:
schemes to use excess body heat from one building to warm another (Sweden); allow neighbours to use your car (UK); and generate energy from landfill (Latvia).
I have no issue with any of these.but
1. If anyone want to go off on some hair-brained scheeme then Fine. Don't expect me of other taxt payers to fund it.
2. IF it works, don't expect to be able to force it on unwilling people.
The only thing that I fell " Green" about is landfill.
I Fookin hate it!!
All thet st burried is actually a fuel (can be burned) and created methane (IIRC) when it rots (which is supposed to be an eveil gas) which is anothe fuel.
But, do the present mob in charge have the guts and backbone to stand up to the inevitable avalanche of hysterical doom mongering that the Greens and their allies will surely generate?
I doubt it. This will run and run in the courts for years. Even though there's ample evidence across the pond of safe and economical shale gas extraction.
Alice through the looking glass.
I doubt it. This will run and run in the courts for years. Even though there's ample evidence across the pond of safe and economical shale gas extraction.
Alice through the looking glass.
Blib said:
But, do the present mob in charge have the guts and backbone to stand up to the inevitable avalanche of hysterical doom mongering that the Greens and their allies will surely generate?
I doubt it. This will run and run in the courts for years. Even though there's ample evidence across the pond of safe and economical shale gas extraction.
Alice through the looking glass.
Funny you should post that as I've recently returned from a spell of working in the US and there are growing concerns over fracking affecting the water, all fairly anecdotal at this stage but genuine nonetheless.I doubt it. This will run and run in the courts for years. Even though there's ample evidence across the pond of safe and economical shale gas extraction.
Alice through the looking glass.
Blue62 said:
Funny you should post that as I've recently returned from a spell of working in the US and there are growing concerns over fracking affecting the water, all fairly anecdotal at this stage but genuine nonetheless.
I'd be interested to see where these anecdotes are coming from.Blue62 said:
Funny you should post that as I've recently returned from a spell of working in the US and there are growing concerns over fracking affecting the water, all fairly anecdotal at this stage but genuine nonetheless.
In very shallow reservoirs, yes, there have been problems. We're unlikely to see that over here.Guam said:
Windymills to lose subsidies, I will believe that when it happens!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/9597461/So...
We should all write to Paterson to thank and, especially, to encourage him - plus to recommend he fight the Liberal zealots who are going to cost the govt. support/ votes over their mad and expensive energy policy. Maybe cc Cameron and Osborn in?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/9597461/So...
Easily enough done here:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/owen_paterson/nor...
might seem naughty (but in a good cause) just use a local postcode to him in Shropshire and the links let you write directly.
Mine's off..!
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