Clocks going 2 hours forward?

[pacman1]

AJS- said:

Never mind that, have a go on this



Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, you peasant

Cool map, thanks for posting.

[jakejake]

What! Swap 365 hrs of daylight when I'm in bed/going to work for 365 hrs of daylight after work when I can do stuff?
You must be mad.

[JagLover]

colonel c said:

Don't they have curtains up north.

Given that the summer is hot you need to have windows open to sleep.

A few people's desire to be doing 'outdoor activities' at 10 pm (anyone ever heard of floodlights?) will mess up the sleeping patterns of the whole nation.

[Johnnytheboy]

Actually, outdoor activities at 10pm? I'm usually going to bed by that time and screaming kids outside is that last thing I want.

[colonel c]

JagLover said:

Given that the summer is hot you need to have windows open to sleep.

A few people's desire to be doing 'outdoor activities' at 10 pm (anyone ever heard of floodlights?) will mess up the sleeping patterns of the whole nation.

It's not that hard to sleep in daylight. Thousands of people work nights and other rotating shifts.

If it bothers you that much get one of these:

[JM]

colonel c said:

JM said:

AJI said:

But these days many of us like to get out and about after work and make use of the daylight.

Are you/we still talking about changing by 1 hour?

How much more and what will you get done in that 1 hour for a few weeks in late winter/early spring and late autumn.





Sorry, I'm not picking on you

So what would will we lose that is so important if we were to change from the current system?

Well depending on what the change is, in winter I wouldn't want it to be still dark at 10.00 am or getting dark again at 3.00pm.
Also having the sunset in the same day it rises in the summer will be good too.

If you have a system that manages that then that's fine by me.

[Strangely Brown]

JM said:

Well depending on what the change is, in winter I wouldn't want it to be still dark at 10.00 am or getting dark again at 3.00pm.
Also having the sunset in the same day it rises in the summer will be good too.

If you have a system that manages that then that's fine by me.

Permanent GMT. Easy.

[colonel c]

I realize what ever happens or most likely not happens will not please everyone.
But most posts on this thread concentrate on the extremes of midwinter and high summer. Surly though for most of the best part of the year everyone would have an extra hour of daylight at no lose.

I find it strange that so many people on here are opposed to the idea. Perhaps it's got something to with the EU. 'They can take away our pounds shillings and pence, our pounds and ounces, even our gallons and quarts. But never will we give up our GMT. 'God save the Queen, Prince Harry and Margaret Thatcher.'

[Oakey]

You've got to laugh, people are usually banging on about 'getting out of the EU' and our 'EU overlords' and all that bks and yet here we have a thread where people are desperate to change to their timezone despite it being the wrong timezone.

What a bunch of jokers we must look. Whilst we're suffering with ridiculously long daylight hours and not seeing darkness until almost midnight in some parts of the country, most of the EU continent will have had hours of regular, normal night time. We'll be the only mugs with bizarro daylight and nightime hours.

[catso]

JagLover said:

colonel c said:

Don't they have curtains up north.

Given that the summer is hot you need to have windows open to sleep.

In Scotland?

Of course Scotland could always have it's own time zone if they wanted it...

[AJI]

Oakey said:

You've got to laugh, people are usually banging on about 'getting out of the EU' and our 'EU overlords' and all that bks and yet here we have a thread where people are desperate to change to their timezone despite it being the wrong timezone.

What a bunch of jokers we must look. Whilst we're suffering with ridiculously long daylight hours and not seeing darkness until almost midnight in some parts of the country, most of the EU continent will have had hours of regular, normal night time. We'll be the only mugs with bizarro daylight and nightime hours.

I'm just laughing at your reasoning and wording.

[Oakey]

AJI said:

I'm just laughing at your reasoning and wording.

This coming from the guy who said:

AJI said:

why have the difference in the first place? Tradition? Or just because we like to be different?

Why don't you have a play with this and educate yourself as to why we have different time zones: http://www.daylightmap.com/index.php

[AJI]

Oakey said:

AJI said:

I'm just laughing at your reasoning and wording.

This coming from the guy who said:

AJI said:

why have the difference in the first place? Tradition? Or just because we like to be different?

Why don't you have a play with this and educate yourself as to why we have different time zones: http://www.daylightmap.com/index.php

But the issue of time-zones is not what this is about. Sure the added complication of there being a 1hour difference between Dover and Calais (even though they are about 24miles apart) is only a small inconvenience when going on holidays etc. but the issue here is daylight saving.
The making the best use of the daylight hours for the UK.
Its not about having to keep to a rule that makes the sun in its highest position at mid-day for example, which is the root of your argument.
Sticking to this sun in its highest position at mid-day rule means that the 'best' times of the day through out most of the year will be darker and therefore brings limitations.
(argument on the term 'best' times of the day is obviously different for different people, but at an educated guess I would say this means 'free' time for most people, therefore after work in the evenings).

[strudel]

So why introduce a blanket rule of adjusting everybody's clocks and inconveniencing some people, when those who are really affected by could just get up earlier, thus affecting nobody except themselves?

[davethebunny]

why are we obsessed with midday being when the sun is directly overhead???

It's nowhere near mine, or most others middle of the day. That's nearer 2pm.

We no longer get up and go to bed according to sunrise and sunset so why have a time system that revolves around it.

I agree a great alternative would be to go to work at 7am in the summer and finish at 3.

That's not going to happen though is it?

So changing the time zone will make this happen.

[Oakey]

AJI said:

The making the best use of the daylight hours for the UK.

Now there's an oxymoron, daylight... at night time!

[Strangely Brown]

AJI said:

But the issue of time-zones is not what this is about. Sure the added complication of there being a 1hour difference between Dover and Calais (even though they are about 24miles apart) is only a small inconvenience when going on holidays etc. but the issue here is daylight saving.
The making the best use of the daylight hours for the UK.
Its not about having to keep to a rule that makes the sun in its highest position at mid-day for example, which is the root of your argument.
Sticking to this sun in its highest position at mid-day rule means that the 'best' times of the day through out most of the year will be darker and therefore brings limitations.
(argument on the term 'best' times of the day is obviously different for different people, but at an educated guess I would say this means 'free' time for most people, therefore after work in the evenings).

So, rather than sod about with clocks and pretending that the time is something other than it really is, why not just change the start of the working day to give more free time at the end of it. By spreading the working day over a longer period, i.e. allowing people to start earlier if they wish, there would be less congestion on the roads as the "rush" at either end would be spread over a much longer period.

[Strangely Brown]

davethebunny said:

I agree a great alternative would be to go to work at 7am in the summer and finish at 3.

That's not going to happen though is it?

Why not? Why can't it happen. All it takes is the will to do so.

[AJI]

strudel said:

So why introduce a blanket rule of adjusting everybody's clocks and inconveniencing some people, when those who are really affected by could just get up earlier, thus affecting nobody except themselves?

Stictly speaking everybody's clocks do not need to be changed, its not really a rule is it?
Everybody is well within their right to live by whatever time they decide it is.
Many people (not all) can agree a start time with their boss and arrange their day around that I suppose.
Many supermarkets are 24h, garages are usually 24h, so many people could actually live a normal life within their own time.

For me, I'd just like it if the government set the 'national' time to what I'd like my personal time to be, and what they are suggesting fits quite nicely.




(now, awaits single sentence typically PH condecending reply from some)

[Oakey]

Strangely Brown said:

So, rather than sod about with clocks and pretending that the time is something other than it really is, why not just change the start of the working day to give more free time at the end of it. By spreading the working day over a longer period, i.e. allowing people to start earlier if they wish, there would be less congestion on the roads as the "rush" at either end would be spread over a much longer period.

Don't be fking ridiculous. These people want to have their cake and eat it.

Make the 'best use of daylight hours' he claims, except, that's not what's really happening for those of us North of London. Sure, we'll be getting extra daylight until sometime toward midnight, not that it's any use mind you, because everywhere will be sodding closed. Then, come Winter, it'll remain dark until around 10am, and still be dark by 5pm. Perpetual twilight in the Summer, and perpetual darkness in the Winter.