Libya.

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EDLT

15,421 posts

206 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Eric Mc said:
cazzer said:
jains15 said:

So you want your petrol no matter what the human cost then?
Yup, pretty much.

Don't know em. Never will. Same way I didn't cry when Diana drove into a wall.
Good job Britain didn't think this way in 1939.
They didn't give a st about Princess Diana in 1939.

cazzer

8,883 posts

248 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Good job Britain didn't think this way in 1939.
Don't kid yerself Eric. If it hadn't happened on our own doorstep and directly threatened us we wouldn't have given a monkeys.

andy_s

19,400 posts

259 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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pokethepope said:
...that tortures terrorist 'suspects'...
That was 'torture-lite' though, not real torture.

pokethepope

2,656 posts

188 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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cazzer said:
Don't kid yerself Eric. If it hadn't happened on our own doorstep and directly threatened us we wouldn't have given a monkeys.
Precisely, if it was North America vs South America we would have let them get on with it, just like the US did until Pearl Harbor.

OP, we can't change anything. If we withdraw our trade they will just find someone else (India, China etc.)

Imposing our way of doing things on other countries has not worked over the last 50 years, so we might as well just let them get on with it, eventually it will settle down or the government will be overthrown.


rich1231

17,331 posts

260 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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I think fuel marketing people are missing a chance here. What we need is ethical fuel at the pumps.
So many of those above that really care deeply can pay an extra 10%

MX7

7,902 posts

174 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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jains15 said:
MX7 said:
Where should we buy our oil from?

So you want your petrol no matter what the human cost then?
No, but if we are going to take the moral high ground, we simply wouldn't have any oil. The list of oil producing nations could be confused with a list of countries on Amnesty International watch list. While we can express our disapproval, we would be in almost total isolation if we were as virtuous as some suggest we should be.

Besides, I thought that the latest mantra was that we should keep out of other countries internal affairs.

By the way, where do you get your fuel from? Does it have a Human Rights Watch stamp of approval? If what's happened in Libya really is an awakening for you, I suggest that you sell your car now and buy a bike, but not one made with steel from China.

tinman0

18,231 posts

240 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Mojocvh said:
So much for UK gov "managing" an important oil deal with this murderous, barbaric regime.
What's with the attempt to try and guilt us, the UK, with the actions of Libya?

And if you are going to get on your high horse, at least have the decency to spell the name of the country correctly. Then we'd think you were some way current on Libya's history, rather than jumping on some guilt bandwagon.

JagLover

42,389 posts

235 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Good job Britain didn't think this way in 1939.
It did

Britain didn't lift a finger to help Germany's persecuted minorities but went to war to preserve the territorial integrity of Poland and the balance of power in Europe.

Somewhatfoolish

4,360 posts

186 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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JagLover said:
It did

Britain didn't lift a finger to help Germany's persecuted minorities but went to war to preserve the territorial integrity of Poland and the balance of power in Europe.
And furthermore, had we done nothing then Britain would probably still have the empire.

And also... had Britain not thought like this in 1914 we'd DEFINITELY still have the empire. There also wouldn't have been World War 2. We'd probably still be top dog. And Libya would be Italian smile

tinman0

18,231 posts

240 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Somewhatfoolish said:
And furthermore, had we done nothing then Britain would probably still have the empire.
Yes, because Germany would obviously have stopped expanding once they got control of continental Europe and a large part of Asia. rolleyes

Somewhatfoolish

4,360 posts

186 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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tinman0 said:
Yes, because Germany would obviously have stopped expanding once they got control of continental Europe and a large part of Asia. rolleyes
The yanks would have sorted them eventually. Don't forget it was Hitler who declared war on America.

In any case all evidence points to Hitler wanting to expand East, not West. France probably wouldn't have declared war either had we not.

ianash

3,274 posts

183 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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rich1231 said:
I think fuel marketing people are missing a chance here. What we need is ethical fuel at the pumps.
So many of those above that really care deeply can pay an extra 10%
Why not 100% special ethical duty. This will really let the self righteous feel good about themselves and can subsidise us unfeeling so and so's who couldn't give a st.

Somewhatfoolish

4,360 posts

186 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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ianash said:
hy not 100% special ethical duty. This will really let the self righteous feel good about themselves and can subsidise us unfeeling so and so's who couldn't give a st.
Make it 400%, and free fuel for the rest of us. Or they can pay me to burn it!

FreezerWeasel

20,566 posts

172 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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some interesting opinions on here.

disturbing, but interesting.

Somewhatfoolish

4,360 posts

186 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Gaz. said:
Think it through chap.
I'm right. Libya was an Italian colony by 1914 wink

allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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FreezerWeasel said:
some interesting opinions on here.

disturbing, but interesting.
Indeed, but going back to the topic, Libyans protesting have reached a point of no return now.Either they get what they set out to achieve or die.Going back to their homes is not an option as they will be picked up one by one and eventually never see the light of day.
Ghaddafi's grip on power is no less than ruthless (use of mercenaries, machine guns and even missiles), and looking at the current stand off, I predict a lot of casualties.Protesters have no other choice once they're out in the streets.

FreezerWeasel

20,566 posts

172 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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allnighter said:
Indeed, but going back to the topic, Libyans protesting have reached a point of no return now.Either they get what they set out to achieve or die.Going back to their homes is not an option as they will be picked up one by one and eventually never see the light of day.
Ghaddafi's grip on power is no less than ruthless (use of mercenaries, machine guns and even missiles), and looking at the current stand off, I predict a lot of casualties.Protesters have no other choice once they're out in the streets.
agreed, of all the unrest recently this is going to be by far the most unpleasant.

allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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FreezerWeasel said:
allnighter said:
Indeed, but going back to the topic, Libyans protesting have reached a point of no return now.Either they get what they set out to achieve or die.Going back to their homes is not an option as they will be picked up one by one and eventually never see the light of day.
Ghaddafi's grip on power is no less than ruthless (use of mercenaries, machine guns and even missiles), and looking at the current stand off, I predict a lot of casualties.Protesters have no other choice once they're out in the streets.
agreed, of all the unrest recently this is going to be by far the most unpleasant.
Death rate is already at 200.A terrorist as a head of state, rich natural resources, and a marginalised country and its people (anything east of Tripoli is regarded by him as vermin land).

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

231 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Come on guys, if you want real carnage look to the US's south. Since Mexico's Calderone has declared war on the cartels, in 2006, 30,000 people have been killed in cartel violence. 6,000 were killed just last year. Anyway, back on topic. biggrin

cazzer

8,883 posts

248 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Jimbeaux said:
Come on guys, if you want real carnage look to the US's south. Since Mexico's Calderone has declared war on the cartels, in 2006, 30,000 people have been killed in cartel violence. 6,000 were killed just last year. Anyway, back on topic. biggrin
and yet people still eat tacos. Its really handwringingly terrible.