Libya.

[allnighter]

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

[Sheets Tabuer]

Apparently David Cameron has turned up on the Libyan border with some chicken, beers and a fishing pole and is demanding to speak to Gaddafi.

[The real Apache]

allnighter said:

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

Perhaps they've got their own problems to deal with? it's kicking off everywhere.

[Jimbeaux]

allnighter said:

tinman0 said:

allnighter said:

Unconfirmed reports of an air strike on protesters by the libyan air force.
Also the Libyan ambassador in London has resigned from his position and the whole embassy is pro-protesters now.

Hmm, wonder what the Italian Air Force is up to at the moment. I'm sure they wouldn't mind putting some holes in a few runways.

I wonder if NATO could instigate an urgent "no fly" zone seeing this terrorist is using the same tactics Saddam used on his people.

That sounds like a good plan.

[allnighter]

The real Apache said:

allnighter said:

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

Perhaps they've got their own problems to deal with? it's kicking off everywhere.

Yes in some countries.How about the others? and perhaps the rest of the world too.Repression is one thing, but crimes against humanity on this level is another.The Arab league has not spoken out so far.

[Jimbeaux]

allnighter said:

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

I agree 100%; good observation. Why then, do people think the Arabs give a damn about "Palestine"? As we all know, it is just a good excuse for them and their agendas.

[The real Apache]

allnighter said:

The real Apache said:

allnighter said:

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

Perhaps they've got their own problems to deal with? it's kicking off everywhere.

Yes in some countries.How about the others? and perhaps the rest of the world too.Repression is one thing, but crimes against humanity on this level is another.The Arab league has not spoken out so far.

I'd like to think it's a reflection of the leaders rather than the people themselves, who knows, perhaps after all these despots have been kicked out the people will show a bit of solidarity

[Victor McDade]

Jimbeaux said:

allnighter said:

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

I agree 100%; good observation. Why then, do people think the Arabs give a damn about "Palestine"? As we all know, it is just a good excuse for them and their agendas.

The same reason any nation gives a damn about anything. If it's in your own national interest then you 'give a damn'. Arabs pretend to care about Palestine as it's a good way to show their population that they are fighting for 'the poor muslim against the evil baby eating jews'.

Conversely, do you think we really give a damn about people in Afghanistan? No we just want them to keep their st within their own boundaries and stop exporting it to our front doors. Saying we care though helps us to save face and maintain our presence on the ground.

People only care about themselves - such is life.

[Tadite]

Victor McDade said:

The same reason any nation gives a damn about anything. If it's in your own national interest then you 'give a damn'. Arabs pretend to care about Palestine as it's a good way to show their population that they are fighting for 'the poor muslim against the evil baby eating jews'.

Conversely, do you think we really give a damn about people in Afghanistan? No we just want them to keep their st within their own boundaries and stop exporting it to our front doors. Saying we care though helps us to save face and maintain our presence on the ground.

People only care about themselves - such is life.

Good point. I suppose it's about limits. Historically Libya isn't exactly a happy place to be from or in and so if we start to see large scale escalation does the world just sit around and watch hundreds then maybe thousands of people die?

Historically the answer to that is yes... sometimes. If it's Condo, Sudan, or Yemen then we watch and use diplomacy. If it's a nation with sea access to the Med? Think it could be different.

[ilikecars]

My dad works on oil rigs and spends a year in an eastern country and then moves to the next. He told me last year that pretty much the whole of the middle east was on the brink of civil wars. Turns out he was right.
Glad he is out of tripoli and Iraq now. Just hope things don't go the same way in Oman

[Mojocvh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-123076...

oops they have removed the live report from Tripoli, it was pretty rough...

Edited by Mojocvh on Monday 21st February 22:17

[Victor McDade]

allnighter said:

hidetheelephants said:

Libyan Airforce defectors land on Malta? posted on the Times of Malta website.

Yep, Libyan military jets photographed landing in Malta.Senior miltary colonels defected after orders to bombard protesters.

Some way to make an entrance. Sure beats the hiding in the back of a lorry method of claiming asylum. Can't we invite some here - we could do with the extra fighter jets given our scaling down of our own

[AMacA]

Eric Mc said:

I'm waiting to see mobile phone shots of a VW minibus charging down the streets of Tripoli with a gunman poking up through the sunroof.

[Mojocvh]

Hmm.
Very possibly we are witnessing the start of a massive population migration, remember the EU was more than happy to pay Qaddafi to keep the migration from Africa to Europe "under check".

How much blood and human misery do we collectively have on our hands?

[dandarez]

Victor McDade said:

Can we send Mandelson and Blair in to sort things out? I'd be willing to chip in for their flight. By all accounts they have a good rapport with the Gaddafis.

Never where they're needed.

Where is the Envoy of the quartet to the Middle East, a certain Mr T. Blair?
I would love, absolutely love, to see you right in the thick of it.

[IanMorewood]

tinman0 said:

Hmm, wonder what the Italian Air Force is up to at the moment. I'm sure they wouldn't mind putting some holes in a few runways.

I think they are rather busy checking thier uniforms right now, one can never have enough feathers in your hat.

linky

[The Hypno-Toad]

dandarez said:

Victor McDade said:

Can we send Mandelson and Blair in to sort things out? I'd be willing to chip in for their flight. By all accounts they have a good rapport with the Gaddafis.

Never where they're needed.

Where is the Envoy of the quartet to the Middle East, a certain Mr T. Blair?

Well I would imagine he's somewhere crapping himself and hoping that before it all turns totally to st, someone close to Ghadafhi has remembered to put all the documents relating to Lockerbie/immortal terrorists/BP oil rights into the shredder. Otherwise we might finally get the chance to possibly get him up on charges.

I would have thought Brown might be slightly concerned too.

Good.

[allnighter]

The real Apache said:

allnighter said:

The real Apache said:

allnighter said:

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

Perhaps they've got their own problems to deal with? it's kicking off everywhere.

Yes in some countries.How about the others? and perhaps the rest of the world too.Repression is one thing, but crimes against humanity on this level is another.The Arab league has not spoken out so far.

I'd like to think it's a reflection of the leaders rather than the people themselves, who knows, perhaps after all these despots have been kicked out the people will show a bit of solidarity

I was talking about Arab states in my post implicating Arab leaders specifically.

[RichyBoy]

Who was that nasty reporter that was twittering and making fun impatiently awaiting the fate of that aid worker in Iraq? They need to send him into Libya.

[The real Apache]

allnighter said:

The real Apache said:

allnighter said:

The real Apache said:

allnighter said:

A test for the so called Arab unity: Not a single Arab state has spoken against Aerial bombardments of civilians in Libya.
Told you there is no such thing.Everyone for himself!

Perhaps they've got their own problems to deal with? it's kicking off everywhere.

Yes in some countries.How about the others? and perhaps the rest of the world too.Repression is one thing, but crimes against humanity on this level is another.The Arab league has not spoken out so far.

I'd like to think it's a reflection of the leaders rather than the people themselves, who knows, perhaps after all these despots have been kicked out the people will show a bit of solidarity

I was talking about Arab states in my post implicating Arab leaders specifically.

nice one