Mervyn King - The right to be angry

[markcoznottz]

Brother D said:

heppers75 said:

Go on then in for a penny in for a pound...

So I have posted this in a few threads and never seemingly had a (from addled memory!) response to it which constituted a real debate on the point other than simply disagreeing!

That point is that there is or needs to be on some level an understanding that you know what in some cases unpalatable actions which will I am sorry to say simply have to be tolerated for business to succeed. If we seek to legislate, regulate and control to the point of utopian perfection any industry to be frank ultimately those industries will reach a tipping point where they wil simply up-sticks and move their core operations to somewhere that won't do that.

Other than simply disagreeing what do folks think?

There are some very good ideas out there, 30% flat rate tax, abolish NI, massive cuts to public sector, that would require some short to medium term pain, but in this age of everyone-a-winner and people able to choose not to work (and have a very comfortable) living I fear it would not be possible without civil strife.

The only way out of the current mess is a leader with the vision and balls like Thatcher to make so hard decisions, (or a dictator backed by the military to enforce law and order). Unfortunately I can't ever see anyone like Thatcher appearing on the stage in the UK, and the forces have been drastically diminished to even contemplate a coup...

I 'think' the majority of people can see what is necessary, but as ever law and politics seeks to prevent change.

Dead right. It is the government which refuses to cut its cloth accordingly. We're all in this together apart from the political elite. If you ramp spending during a boom then you have to cut it during a recession. It's not fking rocket science. Just get the fk on with it. Stop letting councils decide which posts are to go, you tell THEM which ones are to go, put someone in an office and tell them to trawl through old copies of the guardian jobs page, that should give you a good idea of where to start. Why is Cameron scared of looking bad? You are rich you have nothing to lose. It's a dereliction of duty to will fully bury your head in the sand in a time of crisis. There needs to be a coup or something.

[turbobloke]

markcoznottz said:

Brother D said:

heppers75 said:

Go on then in for a penny in for a pound...

So I have posted this in a few threads and never seemingly had a (from addled memory!) response to it which constituted a real debate on the point other than simply disagreeing!

That point is that there is or needs to be on some level an understanding that you know what in some cases unpalatable actions which will I am sorry to say simply have to be tolerated for business to succeed. If we seek to legislate, regulate and control to the point of utopian perfection any industry to be frank ultimately those industries will reach a tipping point where they wil simply up-sticks and move their core operations to somewhere that won't do that.

Other than simply disagreeing what do folks think?

There are some very good ideas out there, 30% flat rate tax, abolish NI, massive cuts to public sector, that would require some short to medium term pain, but in this age of everyone-a-winner and people able to choose not to work (and have a very comfortable) living I fear it would not be possible without civil strife.

The only way out of the current mess is a leader with the vision and balls like Thatcher to make so hard decisions, (or a dictator backed by the military to enforce law and order). Unfortunately I can't ever see anyone like Thatcher appearing on the stage in the UK, and the forces have been drastically diminished to even contemplate a coup...

I 'think' the majority of people can see what is necessary, but as ever law and politics seeks to prevent change.

Dead right. It is the government which refuses to cut its cloth accordingly. We're all in this together apart from the political elite. If you ramp spending during a boom then you have to cut it during a recession. It's not fking rocket science. Just get the fk on with it. Stop letting councils decide which posts are to go, you tell THEM which ones are to go, put someone in an office and tell them to trawl through old copies of the guardian jobs page, that should give you a good idea of where to start. Why is Cameron scared of looking bad?

That was to a lesser degree predictable as the man is mostly image with little substance so he protects what he's got or what's left of it...but it remains something of a mystery why he runs so scared of Guardian headlines when those writing the turgid typo-ridden prose in such a low circulation bankrupt lefty rag aren't worth listening to, unless you're one of those pseudo-intellectuals who can manage to read Monbiot and Toynbee with a straight face. Still, we can hope and you're right he needs to get a move on.

[markcoznottz]

turbobloke said:

markcoznottz said:

Brother D said:

heppers75 said:

Go on then in for a penny in for a pound...

So I have posted this in a few threads and never seemingly had a (from addled memory!) response to it which constituted a real debate on the point other than simply disagreeing!

That point is that there is or needs to be on some level an understanding that you know what in some cases unpalatable actions which will I am sorry to say simply have to be tolerated for business to succeed. If we seek to legislate, regulate and control to the point of utopian perfection any industry to be frank ultimately those industries will reach a tipping point where they wil simply up-sticks and move their core operations to somewhere that won't do that.

Other than simply disagreeing what do folks think?

There are some very good ideas out there, 30% flat rate tax, abolish NI, massive cuts to public sector, that would require some short to medium term pain, but in this age of everyone-a-winner and people able to choose not to work (and have a very comfortable) living I fear it would not be possible without civil strife.

The only way out of the current mess is a leader with the vision and balls like Thatcher to make so hard decisions, (or a dictator backed by the military to enforce law and order). Unfortunately I can't ever see anyone like Thatcher appearing on the stage in the UK, and the forces have been drastically diminished to even contemplate a coup...

I 'think' the majority of people can see what is necessary, but as ever law and politics seeks to prevent change.

Dead right. It is the government which refuses to cut its cloth accordingly. We're all in this together apart from the political elite. If you ramp spending during a boom then you have to cut it during a recession. It's not fking rocket science. Just get the fk on with it. Stop letting councils decide which posts are to go, you tell THEM which ones are to go, put someone in an office and tell them to trawl through old copies of the guardian jobs page, that should give you a good idea of where to start. Why is Cameron scared of looking bad?

That was to a lesser degree predictable as the man is mostly image with little substance so he protects what he's got or what's left of it...but it remains something of a mystery why he runs so scared of Guardian headlines when those writing the turgid typo-ridden prose in such a low circulation bankrupt lefty rag aren't worth listening to, unless you're one of those pseudo-intellectuals who can manage to read Monbiot and Toynbee with a straight face. Still, we can hope and you're right he needs to get a move on.

The prime minister shouldn't be dictated to by a small group of champaigne socialists in London. It's a disgrace. Wheres the attack dog in this government? Alistair Campbell savaged the bbc when he had to. On the first day of government Cameron should have appointed a minister to ensure impartiality at the bbc, any deviation a massive fine but from the existing budget on a sliding scale. fk them. We pay for a national television broadcaster to ram liberal spin down our throats. Unreal. Also any article in a rag that threatens the solvency or stability of this country should be pulled by the government. The union leaders threatening strikes should be snatched to a back room and it made clear they will suffer a heart attack or be knocked down by a car. We have no time or need for petty disputes we need this country rebuilding.

[turbobloke]

markcoznottz said:

The prime minister shouldn't be dictated to by a small group of champaigne socialists in London. It's a disgrace....We pay for a national television broadcaster to ram liberal spin down our throats. Unreal...We have no time or need for petty disputes we need this country rebuilding.

When we get tired of having lefty-liberal spin rammed down our throats on the BBC we can always log in to PH and watch the usual suspects try to do the same on here at least we don't need to pay for a licence to do that. What it shows is that the left needs propaganda and spin just to survive and what Lenin called 'useful idiots' to do their bidding, so there's comfort in there even though CMD will continue to run scared and Union barons will still dream that they're Arthur Scargill while forgetting that he lost.