Meanwhile, In Syria

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QuantumTokoloshi

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216 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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Art0ir said:
Transmitter Man said:
Art,

Two of those 'extremist' groups have just today been accepted by the regime to take part in the Geneva talks.

How can they be extremist when the regime allow them in to talks?

Someones bending the truth, especially when said group's made up of Syrian citizens.

We're not talking AQ or IS here. I just think you want the talks to fail.

Phil
Ansar Al Islam - Al Qaeda affiliates
Ahrar al-Sham - Very friendly with Al Qaeda and multiple reports of Christian massacres
Al Muthana Islamic Movement - ISIL supporters
Most of the others in the list funded from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

But not to worry, lots of them have told reporters they're definitely, 100% not bad people.

I hope the talks bring about a reduction in the death toll, but I'm confident at this stage this conflict will only be resolved when the region's borders are redrawn.
Those are all moderate freedom fighters, with only moderate decapitations, moderate mass rape and slavery, with a very definite policy of only moderate religious massacres. Those are exactly the type of groups to be supplying TOW missiles, weapons and training to, as the US, Turkey, Saudi and Qatar have shown. eekrolleyes

Assad is a b%stard, but he is one the world can deal with. This motley collection of crazies, religious fanatics, megalomaniacs, psychopaths and mercenaries are not. That is unless you want the Paris attacks, 7/7, Madrid bombings, 9/11 to become common occurrences. As things stand, Erdogan is more of a danger to world, regional peace and stability, than Assad has ever been.

How crazy has the world become when Al Qaeda is considered moderate?

scherzkeks

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133 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
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How crazy has the world become when Al Qaeda is considered moderate?
Not crazy at all. Just highlights the shifting priorities on the part of those doing the labelling/creating the narrative.

QuantumTokoloshi

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Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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Su-35S now deployed to Syria. Russians are taking the increasingly strident tones out of Istanbul seriously. Erdogan needs to calm down, or be calmed down by NATO quickly, before this gets out of control.

QuantumTokoloshi

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Friday 5th February 2016
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Developments in Syria. It beings to explain the new verve being shown by Turkey, Saudi and Co.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-04/closing-r...

dudleybloke

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QuantumTokoloshi

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Saturday 6th February 2016
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dudleybloke said:
I enjoyed watching it, a pragmatist. The line "The injustices were spread evenly" from the point of view of the population of secular dictatorships certainly made sense.


Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Sunday 7th February 20:29

Budflicker

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183 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Elroy Blue

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191 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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The madman of Turkey is at it again 'Erdogan threatens EU: "We can open the doors to Greece and Bulgaria anytime and we can put the refugees on buses."

Stickyfinger

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104 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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And when Russia suddenly "befriends" Turkey .....you don't think Putin has had a think about that one do you ?

Elroy Blue

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Monday 8th February 2016
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Turkey has stated that they are in talks with Saudi Arabia discussing a ground campaign to remove Assad. This will put them in direct conflict with Russia. It's brinkmanship, but Turkey and Putin won't be buddies anytime soon

Stickyfinger

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Monday 8th February 2016
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I will give you money on that as Turkey will soon get naffed off with the EU/NATO.

I will give it a few years and the whole thing will change around. The Turks do not like being "held back" and Iran shows no sign of being a threat in the Kurdish areas.

QuantumTokoloshi

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Tuesday 9th February 2016
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Saudi Arabia and the USA are playing with fire here, playing at soldiers in the middle of a Middle East power struggle, with nuclear armed opponents on either side. The lesson of WWI have clearly been forgotten, where events can and will, run away from you.

The military brinkmanship is getting ridiculous now.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-09/saudi-ara...

AJS-

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235 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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I get the impression Zero Hedge is written from a nuclear bunker stocked with baked beans and filtered water.

QuantumTokoloshi

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Tuesday 9th February 2016
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AJS- said:
I get the impression Zero Hedge is written from a nuclear bunker stocked with baked beans and filtered water.
biggrin So true, You got to scan through the stories, else you get sucked into this vortex of "the end is nigh, repent sinners" or "Zio-nazi on rollerskates, in the deep state are out to get you !"


Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 9th February 15:17

AJS-

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235 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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Haha yep. They cover some interesting stories and their analysis is interesting, but it's like worst case plus and then some.

A more sober analysis at Newsweek suggests it's just brinksmanship.

It would be utter carnage if they decided to do that but I don't think they have the resources or the will, especially knowing that they would be up against Iran and Russia. And I don't see WW3 as being much of an election winner for anyone in the US.

The comments from Jeb Bush, with his heritage and all, are a bit ominous though.

Stickyfinger

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Tuesday 9th February 2016
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AJS- said:
I get the impression Zero Hedge is written from a nuclear bunker stocked with baked beans and filtered water.
LOL

Halb

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182 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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Makes me think of the whatreallyhapened website.

Which can be a great repository of links from all over the world.

QuantumTokoloshi

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Tuesday 9th February 2016
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Steady gains, in the North and South of Syria by the Syrian government.

https://youtu.be/OyjNykc0c8Q

I suspect these events are not in the plan, Saudi, Turkey or the USA had in mind for Syria. This will bring an escalation but what is that going to be.

QuantumTokoloshi

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216 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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AJS- said:
Haha yep. They cover some interesting stories and their analysis is interesting, but it's like worst case plus and then some.

A more sober analysis at Newsweek suggests it's just brinksmanship.

It would be utter carnage if they decided to do that but I don't think they have the resources or the will, especially knowing that they would be up against Iran and Russia. And I don't see WW3 as being much of an election winner for anyone in the US.

The comments from Jeb Bush, with his heritage and all, are a bit ominous though.
I find this quote ironic, considering they want to include Saudi Arabia in this organisation.

"he said the United States should create “an organization like NATO” to confront not just ISIS, but “the rise of violent extremism and…the root causes underlying [its] brutal acts."

AJS-

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Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Yeah, I agree with the idea of a grand coalition against Islamism which could include Russia and the US, but the idea that it would include Saudi Arabia is ludicrous. Unfortunately it seems that many in Washington (and London for that matter) would rather see Russia as the enemy at any cost.

Obama's motives are very strange with this. If he was trying to destabilize the region and assist the cause of radical Islam I can't imagine he would be doing very much different.