Meanwhile, In Syria

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QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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The Mosul offensive is being used as a method of reinforcing the "moderates" in Syria, Mosul is encircled, except for the Eastern route to Syria. The "moderates" fleeing Mosul are being allowed over the border, to continue their moderate theology in Syria, quite a convenient outcome.

It is funny, that the Syrians and Russians are allowing an extended ceasefire in Aleppo, to get civilians out, no mention is made of that, considering how blood thirsty, those dastardly Russians are, seems that a ceasefire for civilians is not required in Mosul. The Aleppo "moderates" are enjoying shelling the safe travel zones the government has created for civilians. Odd how that does not make the news, UN convoy attack springs to mind.

There also seems to be a large build up on Diego Garcia, B1, B2 and B52, so many aircraft that roads are being used to park aircraft, it seems preparation for something is under way, what is the question.

hidetheelephants

23,778 posts

192 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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Anyone who utters, types or writes the facile alliterative 'barrel bomb' to describe a bomb needs a kick up the fundament. Whoever invented it needs tarring and feathering.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
Anyone who utters, types or writes the facile alliterative 'barrel bomb' to describe a bomb needs a kick up the fundament. Whoever invented it needs tarring and feathering.
I agree, especially when the "moderates" make use of hell cannons, explosive filled gas canisters, which is randomly lobbed into civilian areas.



















Driller

8,310 posts

277 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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The propaganda keeps rolling in, you don't have to be a genius to spot it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37741969

"Ismail al-Abdullah, a resident of Aleppo who works as a volunteer with the White Helmets civil defence group, told the BBC he had witnessed bombings on the frontline, as well as snipers, in the hours since the ceasefire ended."

White Helmet Civil Defence Group? I'd never heard of them but as soon as I read the name with the use of the benign sounding "white", my immediate thought was "they made that up".

And sure enough: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/23/exclusive-th...




Legend83

9,947 posts

221 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Driller said:
The propaganda keeps rolling in, you don't have to be a genius to spot it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37741969

"Ismail al-Abdullah, a resident of Aleppo who works as a volunteer with the White Helmets civil defence group, told the BBC he had witnessed bombings on the frontline, as well as snipers, in the hours since the ceasefire ended."

White Helmet Civil Defence Group? I'd never heard of them but as soon as I read the name with the use of the benign sounding "white", my immediate thought was "they made that up".

And sure enough: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/23/exclusive-th...
Didn't Panorama follow members of the White Helmets around as they attended bombing incidents to offer ambulance support?


Edited by Legend83 on Monday 24th October 13:49

Driller

8,310 posts

277 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
The Mosul offensive is being used as a method of reinforcing the "moderates" in Syria, Mosul is encircled, except for the Eastern route to Syria. The "moderates" fleeing Mosul are being allowed over the border, to continue their moderate theology in Syria, quite a convenient outcome.


Cannot the Russians/Syrians block/ stop this passage into Syria?

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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gooner1 said:


Cannot the Russians/Syrians block/ stop this passage into Syria?
it's a very wide desert and it's far from military airports where russian planes are stationed

syrian airforce is depleted and overused after 5 years of war

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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AreOut said:
gooner1 said:


Cannot the Russians/Syrians block/ stop this passage into Syria?
it's a very wide desert and it's far from military airports where russian planes are stationed

syrian airforce is depleted and overused after 5 years of war
Not really a case of being "allowed to cross the border" then, is it?

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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gooner1 said:
Not really a case of being "allowed to cross the border" then, is it?
it's the area covered by coalition airforce, we'll see how will they act

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

95 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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gooner1 said:
AreOut said:
gooner1 said:


Cannot the Russians/Syrians block/ stop this passage into Syria?
it's a very wide desert and it's far from military airports where russian planes are stationed

syrian airforce is depleted and overused after 5 years of war
Not really a case of being "allowed to cross the border" then, is it?
If as claimed they are escaping out the back door as it were and the only way they could go is Syria then it is reasonable to assume that the coalition forces are doing so to get them to join their fellow psychos in Syria trying to overthrow Assad.

The coalition is the US and the US have been doing everything possible to try illegally overthrow Assad.

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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frankenstein12 said:
If as claimed they are escaping out the back door as it were and the only way they could go is Syria then it is reasonable to assume that the coalition forces are doing so to get them to join their fellow psychos in Syria trying to overthrow Assad.

The coalition is the US and the US have been doing everything possible to try illegally overthrow Assad.


Would be a good use of the Turkish forces, or does Syria,like Iraq object to their involvement?

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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gooner1 said:
frankenstein12 said:
If as claimed they are escaping out the back door as it were and the only way they could go is Syria then it is reasonable to assume that the coalition forces are doing so to get them to join their fellow psychos in Syria trying to overthrow Assad.

The coalition is the US and the US have been doing everything possible to try illegally overthrow Assad.


Would be a good use of the Turkish forces, or does Syria,like Iraq object to their involvement?
The Syrians are not in the position to object, especially as the "Euphrates Shield" operation in Northern Syria, was done with the tacit approval of Russia. I am not sure Turkey is interested in the rest of Syria either, only the Kurds and its close border region, and has had an "unofficial" relationship with ISIS and Co. for a while now, all that oil and weapons needed to come and go from somewhere.

The loss of the chemical weapons and drawn out war, means Syria cannot meaningfully object.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 24th October 16:35

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

95 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
gooner1 said:
frankenstein12 said:
If as claimed they are escaping out the back door as it were and the only way they could go is Syria then it is reasonable to assume that the coalition forces are doing so to get them to join their fellow psychos in Syria trying to overthrow Assad.

The coalition is the US and the US have been doing everything possible to try illegally overthrow Assad.


Would be a good use of the Turkish forces, or does Syria,like Iraq object to their involvement?
The Syrians are not in the position to object, especially as the "Euphrates Shield" operation in Northern Syria, was done with the tacit approval of Russia. I am not sure Turkey is interested in the rest of Syria either, only the Kurds and its close border region, and has had an "unofficial" relationship with ISIS and Co. for a while now, all that oil and weapons needed to come and go from somewhere.

The loss of the chemical weapons and drawn out war, means Syria cannot meaningfully object.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 24th October 16:35
I think officially they do object but there is little they can do as Russia wont want to get involved in dealing with Turkey and the Syrian forces are both too heavily depleted and too ill equipped to do anything as of course they are not permitted to buy new equipment. The prime aim of Russia is to help Assad push back against ISIS etc and keep him in power.

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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What if the Turks operatated from the Iraqi side of the border?

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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gooner1 said:
What if the Turks operatated from the Iraqi side of the border?
They are operating in Iraq, and the Iraqis are not happy about it at all, major war of words between the two countries. A non starter.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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frankenstein12 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
gooner1 said:
frankenstein12 said:
If as claimed they are escaping out the back door as it were and the only way they could go is Syria then it is reasonable to assume that the coalition forces are doing so to get them to join their fellow psychos in Syria trying to overthrow Assad.

The coalition is the US and the US have been doing everything possible to try illegally overthrow Assad.


Would be a good use of the Turkish forces, or does Syria,like Iraq object to their involvement?
The Syrians are not in the position to object, especially as the "Euphrates Shield" operation in Northern Syria, was done with the tacit approval of Russia. I am not sure Turkey is interested in the rest of Syria either, only the Kurds and its close border region, and has had an "unofficial" relationship with ISIS and Co. for a while now, all that oil and weapons needed to come and go from somewhere.

The loss of the chemical weapons and drawn out war, means Syria cannot meaningfully object.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 24th October 16:35
I think officially they do object but there is little they can do as Russia wont want to get involved in dealing with Turkey and the Syrian forces are both too heavily depleted and too ill equipped to do anything as of course they are not permitted to buy new equipment. The prime aim of Russia is to help Assad push back against ISIS etc and keep him in power.
You also have the recently announced Turkey / Russia gas pipeline deal, which is probably the quid pro quo deal for the freedom in Northern Syria, the Turks want the Kurds under control, and to push any fighting away from the border. Assad has no option but to play along.

They need to get the Aleppo siege over with before the US elections, things are going to get very interesting if Mrs Clinton gets in.

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

223 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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For your viewing pleasure, not.

Clear footage of the alleged chlorine attack on Lataminah earlier this week. This is by far the best footage of one of these alleged attacks I have ever seen. Is there any way of taking a copy of this video? (I ask because Putin's trolls are going to try and get it deleted):

https://youtu.be/U3WJneUCXZw

Now I wonder who could be flying helicopters over Syria?

Phil

CarreraLightweightRacing

2,011 posts

208 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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Transmitter Man said:
For your viewing pleasure, not.

Clear footage of the alleged chlorine attack on Lataminah earlier this week. This is by far the best footage of one of these alleged attacks I have ever seen. Is there any way of taking a copy of this video? (I ask because Putin's trolls are going to try and get it deleted):

https://youtu.be/U3WJneUCXZw

Now I wonder who could be flying helicopters over Syria?

Phil
Hi Phil, if this is the best footage then there isn't really much to go on is there. I suggest you re-watch it specifically around the 34sec point.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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Transmitter Man said:
For your viewing pleasure, not.

Clear footage of the alleged chlorine attack on Lataminah earlier this week. This is by far the best footage of one of these alleged attacks I have ever seen. Is there any way of taking a copy of this video? (I ask because Putin's trolls are going to try and get it deleted):

https://youtu.be/U3WJneUCXZw

Now I wonder who could be flying helicopters over Syria?

Phil
Geez Phil, come on, you are joking. It is clearly two different clips.

I wonder who could possibly be trying to implicate the Syrian or Russian government in chemical weapon attacks?

And more worrying, has access to chlorine gas.

It would not be the first time either.