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Guam

21,761 posts

153 months

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Turks are shelling Syria in retalliation according to Sky just now frown

not looking good frown

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

Voight Kampff

2,857 posts

45 months

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The Syrian government has nothing to gain from this shelling, no military objective met, instead civilians killed and a neighbouring government, that was once friendly with the Syrians but now losing patience, further antagonised. This is either a mistake or a cynical ploy by the rebels or an external agency.

Art0ir

7,139 posts

55 months

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I see the indiscriminate car bombs are in full use now anyway.

This is what we all wanted right? Those at the start of the thread claiming the Arab Spring had long been hijacked by Islamic Extremists were just sympathisers of Dictatorship surely? This is why we gave millions in support right? Free Syria, yay for democracy.

After Iraq and Afghanistan we should have never let our governments meddle in foreign affairs without absolute scrutiny.

Then Libya happened. Sure, their country is now without any real infrastructure, torn by sectarian conflict and partly run by Islamic extremists and one of the most prosperous nations in the region has been bombed back to last century. But we got Gaddafi! Democracy, remember?

And Syria, poor Syria. Those poor innocent men flying Al Qaeda flags and posting videos of themselves with pigs blood all over their face, executing police men in broad daylight, kidnapping and torturing public workers and journalists. Well we just had to help them be free from a secular Syria.

First we denied it, then we said we would give them first aid, but then we were giving them radios and satellite imagery, then it was full logistical support and now the evidence for weapons paid for by the Americans are flooding across the border into the hands of extremists (the BBC doesn't even hide that fact any more and calls them their real names).

And now the protests in Iran have started, just in time. The economic sanctions placed on them in response to a nuclear program that there is no evidence for, is starting to finally ruin their economy and the livelihoods of millions of innocent people.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE and the rest of the Sunni Dictatorships continue the systematic torture and executions of thousands as they always have done and the world gives them a reassuring smile and a wink and turns their eyes away. They play by the rules you see, they can be bought off. Those that can't, those that dare challenge Western imperialism will learn the hard way.

Free Syria, three cheers for democracy and the Nobel peace prize laureate led US.

Elroy Blue

6,488 posts

77 months

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I don't normally do conspiracy theories, but I find it very odd that there are TV crews in the correct, isolated Turkish village at the exact time the shells fall.

Blib

26,944 posts

82 months

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I assumed that they were Turkish film crews at or near the border. Didn't some stray shells come over in that area earlier in the conflict?
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Guam

21,761 posts

153 months

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Blib said:
I assumed that they were Turkish film crews at or near the border. Didn't some stray shells come over in that area earlier in the conflict?
Yes there was cross border fire earlier on, whoever this was got pasted the Turks use the German fire detection radar IIRC. So they will have shelled the origination point of the fire whoever it may have been.

Blib

26,944 posts

82 months

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Any information on where the Turkish shells landed? That may give an indication to which side fired from Syria.

Mermaid

17,689 posts

56 months

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Art0ir said:
said sensible stuff .
I hope for once the the larger conspiracy does not work, and the perpetrators get bitten hard.

Art0ir

7,139 posts

55 months

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Mermaid said:
I hope for once the the larger conspiracy does not work, and the perpetrators get bitten hard.
There's no conspiracy. It's greedy people scratching other greedy people's backs, nothing more. Big Oil wins, the Military Industrial Complex wins, Politicians win (Hey our country is a mess sure, but what about the terrorists?? And the Iranian nukes??). The only people that lose are the middle and working class who pay through the noses to have the middle and working classes in another continent wiped out.

Mermaid

17,689 posts

56 months

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Art0ir said:
There's no conspiracy.
I struggled with what word to use and thought was the most all embracing smile. But really it is all about he guy with the biggest gun and what he wants, and when he wants it.

Guam

21,761 posts

153 months

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Blib said:
Any information on where the Turkish shells landed? That may give an indication to which side fired from Syria.
The Syrian town of Tel Abyad lies just over the Syria-Turkey border from the Turkish town of Akcakale, the site of Wednesday’s deadly shelling. The mortar-fire reportedly originated from Tel Abyad, according to Reuters.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said a Syrian army post in Tel Abyad was bombarded and an unspecified number of soldiers were killed.

Mermaid

17,689 posts

56 months

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-198309...

Turkey's parliament authorises military action in Syria


Adrian W

9,297 posts

113 months

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Mermaid said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-198309...

Turkey's parliament authorises military action in Syria
Does that count as war?

Mermaid

17,689 posts

56 months

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Pre-cursor. like Tony got the vote on Iraq passed in Parliament following the 45 minute warning.

Guam

21,761 posts

153 months

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Just posted this on the US election thread rumour that US is planning major strikes in Libya

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/03/Octo...

With this going on in Syria its a sadly familiar state of affairs frown

Mermaid

17,689 posts

56 months

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Guam said:
With this going on in Syria its a sadly familiar state of affairs frown
So if the US gives up on all foreign adventures & military adventures.... that will help their deficit and leave the world to evolve naturally.

Mermaid

17,689 posts

56 months

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The Turkish deputy PM says Syria has apologised for a mortar strike on a border town in Turkey which left five civilians dead.

It seems the Turks do not want to escalate this accidental strike.

Blib

26,944 posts

82 months

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So, the Syrian government 'fessed up? Several Syrian artillery officers are going to have a difficult week.

jbi

7,918 posts

89 months

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Blib said:
So, the Syrian government 'fessed up? Several Syrian artillery officers are going to have a difficult week.
several Syrian officers are probably dead...

The Turks mullered the point of origin

Transmitter Man

3,103 posts

109 months

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Guam said:
Yes there was cross border fire earlier on, whoever this was got pasted the Turks use the German fire detection radar IIRC. So they will have shelled the origination point of the fire whoever it may have been.
Correct, and seven Syrian soldiers were killed.

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