Meanwhile, In Syria

[Mermaid]

UK recognises Syrian rebels as official representatives for Syria. Interesting to see how the rebels safeguard the interest of the Christians & the Alawites.

[Art0ir]

Mermaid said:

UK recognises Syrian rebels as official representatives for Syria. Interesting to see how the rebels safeguard the interest of the Christians & the Alawites.

I hope that's not a serious statement. I've posted plenty of links in this thread showing Churches full of Christians massacred by Al Qaeda and friends.

[RedTrident]

Mermaid said:

UK recognises Syrian rebels as official representatives for Syria.

Once more I see our government doing anything but representing the position of its citizens.

[Mermaid]

Art0ir said:

Mermaid said:

UK recognises Syrian rebels as official representatives for Syria. Interesting to see how the rebels safeguard the interest of the Christians & the Alawites.

I hope that's not a serious statement. I've posted plenty of links in this thread showing Churches full of Christians massacred by Al Qaeda and friends.

No.. concerned the West does not appear to understand how Sunni led ( & armed) this rebellion is.

[Art0ir]

RedTrident said:

Once more I see our government doing anything but representing the position of its citizens.

Brilliant. Can we expect the new Syrian Warlords Government to oust the Coalition for us? Or do we need to start assassinating MPs and Police Officers first?

[neilr]

I was watching a mix of Al Jazeera and RT earlier and it showed footage of William Hague in parliament saying how the UK supports the opposition coalition in Syria and 'how they have much to do on the ground there etc etc'

However, not 10 minutes before on Russia Today the editor of the Syrian Tribune (I think) saying how that same coalition controls nothing on the ground (ie they are not controling the rebels) and how the west is supporting people it doesnt know or understand. Also the rebels on the ground have released a video sayiing the the coalition doesn't represent them at all.


I know RT has it's bias (but at least its bias from the other side which makes a change) , and I haven't a clue about the Syrian Tribune, however, these stories are at odds totally with Bills speach in parliament. WEho knows what the real truth on the matter is, but it ssure smells fishy to me, and if somethign smells fishy it usually is.

I dread to think whats really going on. One things for sure thogh, there are a lot of innnocent people being affected and, by and large ignored.

[Art0ir]

neilr said:

I was watching a mix of Al Jazeera and RT earlier and it showed footage of William Hague in parliament saying how the UK supports the opposition coalition in Syria and 'how they have much to do on the ground there etc etc'

However, not 10 minutes before on Russia Today the editor of the Syrian Tribune (I think) saying how that same coalition controls nothing on the ground (ie they are not controling the rebels) and how the west is supporting people it doesnt know or understand. Also the rebels on the ground have released a video sayiing the the coalition doesn't represent them at all.


I know RT has it's bias (but at least its bias from the other side which makes a change) , and I haven't a clue about the Syrian Tribune, however, these stories are at odds totally with Bills speach in parliament. WEho knows what the real truth on the matter is, but it ssure smells fishy to me, and if somethign smells fishy it usually is.

I dread to think whats really going on. One things for sure thogh, there are a lot of innnocent people being affected and, by and large ignored.

You can normally watch BBC and RT and assume the truth lies somewhere between the two..

[pork911]

seen a few chemical weapons reports last few days (including john simpson returning to teh kurds, then newsreader tacked on link to current potential for use it syria now....) my tin foil is rustling

[Dr Banjo]

pork911 said:

seen a few chemical weapons reports last few days (including john simpson returning to teh kurds, then newsreader tacked on link to current potential for use it syria now....) my tin foil is rustling

Dont forget that Turkey now getting Patriot missile defence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-206029...

Tin foil hat is on standby.

[Art0ir]

Dr Banjo said:

Dont forget that Turkey now getting Patriot missile defence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-206029...

Tin foil hat is on standby.

There's no tinfoilhattery about it, Assad is one of Ahmadinejad's last remaining allies in the region, he must go.

[Mermaid]

Art0ir said:

....Assad is one of Ahmadinejad's last remaining allies in the region, he must go.

To be replaced by one of Morsi's cousins? or a Saudi stooge?

[Dr Banjo]

I guess we are going to get a wash,rinse repeat of Libya ?

Can Russia & China keep their pesky little beaks out, who knows. Israel certainly not going to lend a stabilising influence.

[Art0ir]

Dr Banjo said:

Can Russia & China keep their pesky little beaks out, who knows. Israel certainly not going to lend a stabilising influence.

China are too busy hoovering up Africa and it's resources, although the US is catching up on that game too. Will be interesting to see what cards Russia play over the next dew years.

[Tartan Pixie]

Dr Banjo said:

I guess we are going to get a wash,rinse repeat of Libya ?

No, it's going to be much worse. In Libya there's huge public dissatisfaction with the islamist militias, a commitment to democracy by the leading council and, perhaps most importantly, oil money available to fund the transition to democracy.

Libya will also have huge pressures on it from heavy hitters among the African Union, many of whom have their own problems with islamists. Overall there's a lot of pressure from both inside and outside Libya to stick with democracy, even if it means a messy decade to get there.

By contrast Syria is the arse end of bloodthirsty sectarianism. If the battle for Damascus is half as bitter as it's threatening to be there will be a legacy of hate between Sunni's and everyone else. The influx of jihadi warriors from outside Syria means the hardest of hardcore nutters will be wanting their say, which won't be pretty.

Sadly western leaders can't see the difference between Libya and Syria, so are fighting the previous war. Both the French and William Hague come across as so out of their depth it's scary, they're playing with fire and some poor sods are going to get far worse repercussions than burnt fingers.

[shouldbworking]

It seems utterly bizarre that the arming of unstable rebel groups by foreign powers is still a common occurence, whichever conflict its occured in. You'd think we'd have learnt by the countless times in history that they end up getting used against us.

[Transmitter Man]

Shouldbe,

If you dig a little deeper and do some research you'll find that the west are being very picky as to who they give certain weapons to including the more recent manpads. You'll also find that in the past month or so the number of assad's flying craft being brought down have increased significantly.

The Syrian opposition are sweeping across much of northern Syria knocking out checkpoints as well as military bases together with a number of airports many of which also are operated as mil air bases.

Many of the Migs & heli's have been knocked out at the airports landing or taking off as well as being parked up.

assad is running out of trustworthy pilots with many having defected to Turkey & Jordan together with their craft. The remaining pilots are most probably made up of Alawite's.

I personally don't think it's quite as black & white as what several posters on this thread make out.

Just my opinion.

Phil

[Art0ir]

Transmitter Man said:

The Syrian Foreign opposition are sweeping across much of northern Syria

[RedTrident]

Art0ir said:

Transmitter Man said:

The Syrian Foreign opposition are sweeping across much of northern Syria

Indeed.

The purpose of our foreign policy surely is about promoting and protecting our interests overseas. That's why (whilst I didn't agree with it) I understood why we got involved in Libya.

In Syria, at the moment we have a dictator in charge that would make sure there was little chance of harm in the direction of the UK and it's citizens. The alternative regime there is full off Islamist nut jobs who view our country and our people as legitimate targets.

At best we should be staying well out of it.

Assad has been backed into a corner by a foreign Sunni invasion armed by an ignorant West. I expect to see the use of chemical weapons soon.

[Transmitter Man]

So where are all the 70%+ Syrian Sunni majority?

[Art0ir]

Transmitter Man said:

So where are all the 70%+ Syrian Sunni majority?

Are you suggesting every man, woman and child in Syria is involved in the conflict? Why are all of the rebel bases on the borders, and the rebellion not happening from within if it's truly Syrian led? The thousands of Al Qaeda and other extremists that have poured into the country armed to the teeth by the US, they're just there for "support" are they?

Come on man, read a proper journalistic piece on the situation instead of salivating over Free Syria blogs. I've already shown Syria was on the cards for leadership change since 9/11, I've shown how almost all of the representatives of the Free Syrian army and civilian groups have been on the payroll of either the US or Sunni countries for years. I've already shown how Syria is one of the most secular and stable countries in the region.

Assad is no saint, but equally the crimes of the Sunni led countries far overshadow his. The US and UK have demonstrated they don't give a damn about the welfare of the ME inhabitants so why are they pushing and pushing for Assad to go and funneling weapons to terrorists to achieve it?