Meanwhile, In Syria
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Heroes and saviors of the Syrian people testing chemical weapons on rabbits and threatening infidel Alawites with the same fate.
Poor, downtrodden Sunnis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs86RJR3ZUk
Poor, downtrodden Sunnis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs86RJR3ZUk
Art0ir said:
Heroes and saviors of the Syrian people testing chemical weapons on rabbits and threatening infidel Alawites with the same fate.
Poor, downtrodden Sunnis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs86RJR3ZUk
So Obama will be along shortly to warn about ethnic cleansing, or will he get permission from the Saudis.Poor, downtrodden Sunnis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs86RJR3ZUk
A two state solution anyone?
Transmitter Man said:
Art,
No I'm not but you make out 'all' are foreign terrorists.
Please explain yourself.
Phil
The trained militiamen and those leading these Jihadist groups are foreign. The weapons are foreign. The brigades of Al Qaeda are foreign. The comms equipment is foreign. The logistical support is foreign.No I'm not but you make out 'all' are foreign terrorists.
Please explain yourself.
Phil
The exact same happened in Libya. Gaddafi came out and said at day one the "rebels" were Al Qaeda. The West guffawed at Madhat Muammar.
5 months later the leader of the LIFG, listed as a terrorist organisation by the US, and the man who lead the insurrection was writing guest pieces for Guardian admitting he'd employed thousands of terrorists from Iraq who had killed British soldiers to come along for the ride.
I'm sure there are plenty of Syrian Sunnis jumping in now, but for sectarian reasons and nothing more. The butchering of Christian, Jewish and Alawite neigbourhoods and destruction of their places of worship is testament to that.
Article on the US training militia members to handle chemical weapons:
http://alpha.syriadeeply.org/2012/12/to-secure-che...
http://alpha.syriadeeply.org/2012/12/to-secure-che...
I think too many people are just lumping the 'Syrian' opposition fighters and the Foreign Jihadists together and I'm sorry but I think in the most part you're wrong.
Let's agree to disagree on that.
Libya, if I'm correct the AL requested foreign help.
Syria they have been deathly quiet, probably because there no cross member agreement with what do do with Syria due to all the different factions and religious groups.
There's a whole bunch of video's showing both Christian as well as Alawite joining the 'Syrian' FSA groups but what good would it do if I posted links, Art will just twist them as he like to twist any rational argument.
Art,
Regards salivating.
I have a good friend, now resident in Limassol, Cyprus who's lost family member back home in Deraa in the early days of this conflict from bombs dropped from Russian planes flow by yes, you go it assad & co. As yet, I don't think any Johadists have a pilots license.
But WTF, I'm only commenting on what I read and hear.
You're of course very welcome to your opinion.
Phil
Let's agree to disagree on that.
Libya, if I'm correct the AL requested foreign help.
Syria they have been deathly quiet, probably because there no cross member agreement with what do do with Syria due to all the different factions and religious groups.
There's a whole bunch of video's showing both Christian as well as Alawite joining the 'Syrian' FSA groups but what good would it do if I posted links, Art will just twist them as he like to twist any rational argument.
Art,
Regards salivating.
I have a good friend, now resident in Limassol, Cyprus who's lost family member back home in Deraa in the early days of this conflict from bombs dropped from Russian planes flow by yes, you go it assad & co. As yet, I don't think any Johadists have a pilots license.
But WTF, I'm only commenting on what I read and hear.
You're of course very welcome to your opinion.
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
I think too many people are just lumping the 'Syrian' opposition fighters and the Foreign Jihadists together and I'm sorry but I think in the most part you're wrong.
Let's agree to disagree on that.
Fair enough.Let's agree to disagree on that.
Transmitter Man said:
There's a whole bunch of video's showing both Christian as well as Alawite joining the 'Syrian' FSA groups but what good would it do if I posted links, Art will just twist them as he like to twist any rational argument.
I'm open to any evidence presented. I can, and have, changed my mind on various ME issues when I've looked at new evidence.Transmitter said:
Man
Art,
Regards salivating.
I have a good friend, now resident in Limassol, Cyprus who's lost family member back home in Deraa in the early days of this conflict from bombs dropped from Russian planes flow by yes, you go it assad & co. As yet, I don't think any Johadists have a pilots license.
As I said, I would never try to label Assad a saint. He is a dictator in every sense of the word. Interesting though how in the Israli/Palestinian conflict, civilians killed in "targeted strikes" were labelled collateral damage. The situation in Syria involves intense urban warfare, civilians sadly will get caught up. In the early days the "Rebels" began by raiding the homes of police and officials, by attacking police stations, courthouses and other municipal buildings deep in the heart of cities.Art,
Regards salivating.
I have a good friend, now resident in Limassol, Cyprus who's lost family member back home in Deraa in the early days of this conflict from bombs dropped from Russian planes flow by yes, you go it assad & co. As yet, I don't think any Johadists have a pilots license.
Salivating was a poor choice of word to use, I retract that statement
Transmitter Man said:
But WTF, I'm only commenting on what I read and hear.
You're of course very welcome to your opinion.
Phil
And I hope you continue to do so, these threads get very boring if everyone agrees with each other!You're of course very welcome to your opinion.
Phil
Now they're ready to take Damascus and plunge the country into complete chaos, a group described as "one of the most effective in the Syrian resistance over the last few months, often drawing on the experience of foreign fighters who have had combat experience in Iraq and elsewhere" are in line to be declared terrorists by the US. Just in time then.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/05/u-s-to-ad...
And a lovely sing song by the FSA declaring terrorism on the infidels and Obama, and declaring the leader of the Syrian National Coalition to be a liar. Cute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
Quick edit for Phil, the BND also stated in September that 95% of the rebels were foreign.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/05/u-s-to-ad...
And a lovely sing song by the FSA declaring terrorism on the infidels and Obama, and declaring the leader of the Syrian National Coalition to be a liar. Cute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
Quick edit for Phil, the BND also stated in September that 95% of the rebels were foreign.
Edited by Art0ir on Saturday 8th December 01:04
Edited by Art0ir on Saturday 8th December 01:27
Interview with rebels fighting for a 'free' Syria
""I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state... I don't believe in this anymore because the country is being ruined," he said.
Bahar al Basah, 35, another Palestinian Syrian, told me he was influenced by the writings of Abu Qatada, the radical cleric currently under house arrest in the UK.
The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.
This led to a question about the future of Syria's minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed - Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the 'Jizyah' - a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.
When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple - because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim.
The conversation verged on the surreal. There we were talking in a quite friendly manner, with the occasional joke, about killing people because they wouldn't pay the Jizyah, which critics regard as effectively obtaining money through menaces"
I'm sure it'll all end well.
""I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state... I don't believe in this anymore because the country is being ruined," he said.
Bahar al Basah, 35, another Palestinian Syrian, told me he was influenced by the writings of Abu Qatada, the radical cleric currently under house arrest in the UK.
The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.
This led to a question about the future of Syria's minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed - Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the 'Jizyah' - a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.
When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple - because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim.
The conversation verged on the surreal. There we were talking in a quite friendly manner, with the occasional joke, about killing people because they wouldn't pay the Jizyah, which critics regard as effectively obtaining money through menaces"
I'm sure it'll all end well.
Transmitter Man said:
"The BND also stated in September that 95% of the rebels were foreign."
From where did they come to this conclusion?
I'm not sure and I doubt they would expose their sources to me if I asked really, but they are one of the most respected intelligence agencies in Europe.From where did they come to this conclusion?
There's also an interview with a French surgeon working in Aleppo that says over half of those he treated were Jihadists.
Edit:
Appears it's too late anyway, the warmongering begins as Western ships arrive on the coast and UK, US & French forces have completed their ground assault exercises. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Edit:
Appears it's too late anyway, the warmongering begins as Western ships arrive on the coast and UK, US & French forces have completed their ground assault exercises. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Edited by Art0ir on Saturday 8th December 16:27
So now it starts...
Hague thinks Syria about to chemical weapons.
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=295...
Syria is so messed up now.
Hague thinks Syria about to chemical weapons.
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=295...
Syria is so messed up now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-206505...
Worth listening to the radio interview... 45 minutes/dodgy dossier?
Worth listening to the radio interview... 45 minutes/dodgy dossier?
Elroy Blue said:
Interview with rebels fighting for a 'free' Syria
""I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state... I don't believe in this anymore because the country is being ruined," he said.
Bahar al Basah, 35, another Palestinian Syrian, told me he was influenced by the writings of Abu Qatada, the radical cleric currently under house arrest in the UK.
The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.
This led to a question about the future of Syria's minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed - Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the 'Jizyah' - a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.
When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple - because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim.
The conversation verged on the surreal. There we were talking in a quite friendly manner, with the occasional joke, about killing people because they wouldn't pay the Jizyah, which critics regard as effectively obtaining money through menaces"
I'm sure it'll all end well.
I caught a little bit of something similar today on Sky news, was that the same one?""I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state... I don't believe in this anymore because the country is being ruined," he said.
Bahar al Basah, 35, another Palestinian Syrian, told me he was influenced by the writings of Abu Qatada, the radical cleric currently under house arrest in the UK.
The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.
This led to a question about the future of Syria's minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed - Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the 'Jizyah' - a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.
When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple - because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim.
The conversation verged on the surreal. There we were talking in a quite friendly manner, with the occasional joke, about killing people because they wouldn't pay the Jizyah, which critics regard as effectively obtaining money through menaces"
I'm sure it'll all end well.
To add: Interview was by Tim Marshall.
smegmore said:
Elroy Blue said:
Interview with rebels fighting for a 'free' Syria
""I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state... I don't believe in this anymore because the country is being ruined," he said.
Bahar al Basah, 35, another Palestinian Syrian, told me he was influenced by the writings of Abu Qatada, the radical cleric currently under house arrest in the UK.
The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.
This led to a question about the future of Syria's minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed - Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the 'Jizyah' - a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.
When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple - because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim.
The conversation verged on the surreal. There we were talking in a quite friendly manner, with the occasional joke, about killing people because they wouldn't pay the Jizyah, which critics regard as effectively obtaining money through menaces"
I'm sure it'll all end well.
I caught a little bit of something similar today on Sky news, was that the same one?""I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state... I don't believe in this anymore because the country is being ruined," he said.
Bahar al Basah, 35, another Palestinian Syrian, told me he was influenced by the writings of Abu Qatada, the radical cleric currently under house arrest in the UK.
The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.
This led to a question about the future of Syria's minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed - Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the 'Jizyah' - a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.
When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple - because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim.
The conversation verged on the surreal. There we were talking in a quite friendly manner, with the occasional joke, about killing people because they wouldn't pay the Jizyah, which critics regard as effectively obtaining money through menaces"
I'm sure it'll all end well.
To add: Interview was by Tim Marshall.
Being serious: Its scary that there are probably hundreds of thousand illiterate and brainwashed sheep ready to pick up arms when directed by the controlling imams/muftis. These are the people to be targeted, not the cannonfodder.
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