Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
AreOut said:
Guam said:
Middle east logic you have to love it, "my enemy's enemy is my friend"
it is apt here however, when you think a bit more about itThe Salafists (Saudi, UAE, Qatar) hate the Shia (Iran, Syria and kind of Iraq), who hate the Israelis, who are also hated by the Salafists.
The Yanks don't much like the Shia, although the Salafists are evidently much more of a threat (but have been kept sweet with control of OPEC for years). Iraq has announced plans to triple oil production and partner with Iran. At the same time Shale gas threatens OPEC market share.
The Salafist countries (in particular SA) have done little to diversify their economies and will burn if they lose dominance in the oil markets. It'll make the Arab Spring look like a WI meeting.
The Salafist extremists (Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, ISIS, etc) are bankrolled by the Gulf countries and pose a growing threat to Israel (who are the Yanks favourites) even while the Gulf states have shared a relatively cosy relationship with Israel.
Spinning plates comes to mind.
Guam said:
You mean like the CIA thought about Bin Laden and the Taliban? Yep never a problem with that thinking!
You seriously need to brush up on history and politics before playing with the big boys.The Taliban came about in the mid 90's with Pakistani help. They have NOTHING to do with the Afghan war. Many were too young to fight there. Ben Laden had no connection with the CIA either. He had his own money and training camps.
Guam said:
PPS as others have said, the war is thataway, feel free to head out and do YOUR bit!
Or even just pony up for a Tomahawk . . . it's no more illegal for you to assasinate leaders of the Syrian government (plus the usual collateral damage of the cleaning lady, the bloke changing lighbulbs, and assorted passers by) than for the UK state to do it . . . [quote=Guam]We should have no involvement with either of the factions, let them kill each other it is their choice, why should we give a monkeys?
Guam,
Actually you're wrong.
It was not the vast majority of the Syrian peoples choice to kill one another but that of a few nut jobs at the top table that decided to send in the military to suppress local students in Deraa who had painted anti regime graffiti nearly three years ago.
This conflict is down to one family, the family of Assad.
The fact it has now turned into both a sectarian as well as proxy war should one would hope guarantee his sad arse in dragged in front of the ICC like all previous dictators before him.
Phil
Guam,
Actually you're wrong.
It was not the vast majority of the Syrian peoples choice to kill one another but that of a few nut jobs at the top table that decided to send in the military to suppress local students in Deraa who had painted anti regime graffiti nearly three years ago.
This conflict is down to one family, the family of Assad.
The fact it has now turned into both a sectarian as well as proxy war should one would hope guarantee his sad arse in dragged in front of the ICC like all previous dictators before him.
Phil
Transmitter Man]uam said:
We should have no involvement with either of the factions, let them kill each other it is their choice, why should we give a monkeys?
Guam,
Actually you're wrong.
It was not the vast majority of the Syrian peoples choice to kill one another but that of a few nut jobs at the top table that decided to send in the military to suppress local students in Deraa who had painted anti regime graffiti nearly three years ago.
This conflict is down to one family, the family of Assad.
The fact it has now turned into both a sectarian as well as proxy war should one would hope guarantee his sad arse in dragged in front of the ICC like all previous dictators before him.
Phil
As pointed out before, lets go to the source of many of these troubles, Saudi, shall we do the same to them? using your logic, lets make sure we do not make a mistake. A quick check list.Guam,
Actually you're wrong.
It was not the vast majority of the Syrian peoples choice to kill one another but that of a few nut jobs at the top table that decided to send in the military to suppress local students in Deraa who had painted anti regime graffiti nearly three years ago.
This conflict is down to one family, the family of Assad.
The fact it has now turned into both a sectarian as well as proxy war should one would hope guarantee his sad arse in dragged in front of the ICC like all previous dictators before him.
Phil
Dictator Yup,
Violently oppressing his own people Yup,
Supporting armed uprisings in other countries, yup,
and for the full house, ancestral home to and breeding ground of Al Qaeda and various other religious crazies. Yup.
We have a winner, let's bomb the sh*t out of them. Now for some golf.
George Bush Jnr meets foreign policy decisions.
Pesty said:
Not wrong at all they dropped bombs in Syria. A sovereign state. People were killed. Whatever the targets were they dropped bombs on Syrian soil. Wherever the missiles where going if you believe the Israelites or not that is not neutral.
Pesty,Brain before mouth please.
Israel has F15/F16's.
Assad is using barrel bombs rolled out the back of Russian Mi-24 or French Gazelle heli's. He seems rather short on Russian Migs these days let alone ones having 'smart' bomb capabilities though he is supposed to of received deliveries of another 10 aircraft - that is if his credit line is still good!
Phil
Pesty said:
Not wrong at all they dropped bombs in Syria. A sovereign state. People were killed. Whatever the targets were they dropped bombs on Syrian soil. Wherever the missiles where going if you believe the Israelites or not that is not neutral.
Israel is arguably nutral in that it seems to have little interest in who wins, makes very little difference to Israel either way. The removing of weapons well known to be used against Israel is hardly unreasonable, hence even the Syrians have been very limited in their criticism over it. But as to the actual outcome, neither is really great for Israel I imagine their goals are to understand and possibly try to minimse risks to them - as to the eventual outcome, they cannot nor should they have any real say in the matter.The 'not so smart' barrel bombs.
This one dropped on the residents on Daraa yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txnbo3QIYIo&fe...
Phil
This one dropped on the residents on Daraa yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txnbo3QIYIo&fe...
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
The 'not so smart' barrel bombs.
This one dropped on the residents on Daraa yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txnbo3QIYIo&fe...
Phil
Pretty indiscriminate, sad to see.This one dropped on the residents on Daraa yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txnbo3QIYIo&fe...
Phil
At least the opposition wouldn't do the same, with say, car bombs.
Interesting topical article here - http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9122371/armage...
Transmitter Man said:
A valid tactic when faced with a guerilla force in an urban battleground. It is certainly more humane than using white phosphorous indiscriminately, the US Marines in Fallujah and the Israeli attack in Gaza springs to mind.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff