Meanwhile, In Syria

[Mermaid]

hidetheelephants said:

Erdogan has a dilemma; by not acting he is fomenting kurdish unrest and allowing IS to do what IS do. If he acts against IS, or removes his objection to the Peshmurga being armed with anything bigger than AK47s he risks;

1) Further agitation for part of Turkey becoming an autonomous kurdish region, or worse still seceding entirely and joining with the kurdish part of Iraq to form a greater kurdish nation.
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Kurdistan will be on the maps drawn in 5 years time.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

The Don of Croy said:

DrDoofenshmirtz said:

Of course it's our mess. Leave the dictatorships alone...these places (unfortunately) need them. Look what happens when we go in an remove them.

Is Syria / IS our mess? We may have culpability in Iraq (hard to deny) but this whole IS movement seems to have grown out of nowhere.

Excuse my ignorance, but didn't it originate in the Syrian rebellion? Add on some tribal conflict out of neighbouring areas, pull a few strings to ignite old arguments, bring to the boil...

In the meantime, there was a large 'bang' out near Tehran over the weekend;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-295085...

- perhaps there's more going on than meets the eye. /conspiracy mode

IS did not come out of nowhere.

IS is the result of the Iraq invasion, read up on the Shia "special police squads" which were created by the Americans to help control the insurgency, a certain Colonel James Steele. ISIS was born out of the Sunni reaction to this sectarian creation. The West has a huge hand to play in this. The Libyan mess, which has provided a useful training and recruiting ground for ISIS, and again, "explosive freedom" was provided.

The training and equipping of "moderate" fighters in Syria, is a complete red herring, you have ISIS using TOW missiles, before they captured the Iraqi arsenal, I wonder where they could have got those from ?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 9th October 15:36

[Transmitter Man]

Quantum,

You're forgetting Assad's strategy in the creation of IS.

Do you have a reference to IS having TOW's prior to the munitions raid in Iraq?

To the poster above who suggested these countries need dictators - I'm afraid in the casev of Syria I just don't agree: http://tinyurl.com/nvgl9wm


Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 9th October 11:40

Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 9th October 11:40

Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 9th October 11:41

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

Quantum,

You're forgetting addad's strategy in the creation of IS.

Do you have a reference to IS having TOW's prior to the munitions raid in Iraq?

Phil

Who is Addad ? I am not familiar with that player, but considering your previous bias, I would assume it is Assad.

Youtube and Google is your friend.

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

Quantum,

You're forgetting Assad's strategy in the creation of IS.

umm, Assad had enough enemies around without creating another one

[Transmitter Man]

I did rectify the typo but for some reason it did not display!

Your personal view of Assad is as you know different to mine.

I think it is a case of what Assad put in place that helped to create IS.

I think he will go down in history like so many dictators before him.

Whether true or not RT & you will blame the US, UK, or Israel.

They cannot win either way.

Thank god the Australians are on board, someone new for RT to blame and of course it keep peoples concentration off of Putins thugs in Ukraine.

Phil

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

I did rectify the typo but for some reason it did not display!

Your personal view of Assad is as you know different to mine.

I think it is a case of what Assad put in place that helped to create IS.

I think he will go down in history like so many dictators before him.

Whether true or not RT & you will blame the US, UK, or Israel.

They cannot win either way.

Thank god the Australians are on board, someone new for RT to blame and of course it keep peoples concentration off of Putins thugs in Ukraine.

Phil

You need to step back and look at the situation objectively, Bashar al-Assad was positively disposed to the West, he worked in the UK and his wife is from Acton after all ! Syria would have benefited more from a diplomatic approach, as Assad was already beginning to open up the country and normalise relations.

The assumption that the overthrow would be a Tunisian or Libyan style quickie was flawed.The support that the insurrection received, to push it over the edge into a full blown civil war, was horribly misguided. This led to the situation that we find ourselves with now. It has turned Syria in bloodbath.

I understand your issue with Assad and family, but the forces opposing him are as easily as bad, or substantially worse, is being found out. A stable Syria is preferable to the unholy mess now, it has become a pawn in a geopolitical powerplay.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 10th October 08:49

[Transmitter Man]

I do not need to step back.

just research Assad & his father before him regarding their country's treatment of people who spoke out against the government.

The human rights atrocities inside their prisons would make Mengele proud and the vision portrayed to western media is but an illusion.

His promises of political changes offering more of a voice to the Sunni majority were just that, promises. There was little to no change to the status quo since he made these noises back in 2010 and the with the endemic corruption at the highest levels of government, the treatment by his thugs against any dissent continues although there are a few less alive now to carry out his orders.

His barrel bombs have not helped!

He is but a puppet of the theo crazies in Iran, but I'm sure you already know that what with Iran having to use Syria as a corridor to feed their terrorists in Lebanon.

And everyone thought Hezbollah were their to protect Lebanon against those nasty Jews. It's laughable.

So please, what are you thoughts regarding the newly discovered chemical weapons factories which for some reason he had forgot about?

[AreOut]

he is not worse than other dictators in ME that US&UK are getting along with just fine

actually for ordinary people Syria has much more freedom and democracy(as little as it is compared to west) than in some countries around

[Mermaid]

AreOut said:

he is not worse than other dictators in ME that US&UK are getting along with just fine

actually for ordinary people Syria has much more freedom and democracy(as little as it is compared to west) than in some countries around

Wonderful country - pre the strife. Different rules, but why not?

[AreOut]

you can't apply same coach to every football team with same success, let alone more complicated groups like nations

[Transmitter Man]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BziKtSGCIAICS6n.jpg

[Transmitter Man]

FSA (Syrians) now fighting alongside the Kurds in Kobane:

http://www.raqqa-sl.com/?p=2476

I'd like to know how RT will twist this one.

Phil

[AreOut]

FSA is now "virtual" army, all experienced fighters went to more extremist organisations like Al Nusra or ISIS and I doubt they have more than literally 100 people ready to fight, it's just a tool to show there is a moderate opposition to Assad while they are practically non-existant

[Transmitter Man]

So you think there's no more than 100 'Syrian' members of the FSA groups that make up the Islamic Front and that these are now all affiliated to either AQ or IS?

Phil

[2013BRM]

From Oliver North on fb

"A Turkish soldier "visiting" an ISIS anti-aircraft unit at Kobani.
They look way too friendly.
Photo was sent to me by a US contractor at the Kobani border crossing."

https://www.facebook.com/216940628328775/photos/a....

[Magog]

2013BRM said:

From Oliver North on fb

"A Turkish soldier "visiting" an ISIS anti-aircraft unit at Kobani.
They look way too friendly.
Photo was sent to me by a US contractor at the Kobani border crossing."

https://www.facebook.com/216940628328775/photos/a....

That Oliver North?

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

So you think there's no more than 100 'Syrian' members of the FSA groups that make up the Islamic Front and that these are now all affiliated to either AQ or IS?

Phil

100 of them ready to fight (= not kids, disabled or mentaly ill) absolutely, majority of opposition fighters in Syria are NOT from Syria, hell even government has its allies from foreign countries (Hezbollah - mainly lebanese and some militia that is originally from Iran although there aren't many of them)

[2013BRM]

Magog said:

2013BRM said:

From Oliver North on fb

"A Turkish soldier "visiting" an ISIS anti-aircraft unit at Kobani.
They look way too friendly.
Photo was sent to me by a US contractor at the Kobani border crossing."

https://www.facebook.com/216940628328775/photos/a....

That Oliver North?

apparently

[2013BRM]

Transmitter Man said:

FSA (Syrians) now fighting alongside the Kurds in Kobane:

http://www.raqqa-sl.com/?p=2476

I'd like to know how RT will twist this one.

Phil

Not RT but.....

http://www.funker530.com/as-kurds-battle-it-out-wi...