Meanwhile, In Syria

[Mermaid]

Transmitter Man said:

Hi Mermaid,

I'm not sure those countries listed are suffering from home grown IS islamists.

Is it something to do with the UK having handed out passports to everyone & their mother over the past fifty years? I don't know.


Phil

Sure, but ISIS fighters come from many countries in Europe & Africa & also Australia. It has a coalition effort, not a UK/US matter. And China/Russia have to to pull their weight on this global threat.

[Transmitter Man]

They are not interested.

China & Russia seem only interested in expanding their area of influence, not fighting IS.

Phil

[Mermaid]

Transmitter Man said:

They are not interested.

China & Russia seem only interested in expanding their area of influence, not fighting IS.

Phil

Smart people who want to create a big empire, rather those who think they still have one.

Imagine China sent 50,000 of their troops to fight against IS? Swift resolution.

[The Don of Croy]

Transmitter Man said:

They are not interested.

China & Russia seem only interested in expanding their area of influence, not fighting IS.

Phil

I thought both of them had enough Islamists to keep them busy within their own borders? Chechnya and those far flung western provinces bordering eastern Russia?

[Driller]

Mermaid said:

CMD says UK is committed to helping US destroy IS.

So Little UK is at it again whilst countries such as China, Japan, Russia look on with amusement.

They were so frustrated at being forbidden to go in and change the regime to one more to their taste as they had in all the other "Arab Spring" countries, that they had to invent IS to whip up public support with fake beheadings as an excuse to justify going into Syria.

[arguti]

Driller said:

They were so frustrated at being forbidden to go in and change the regime to one more to their taste as they had in all the other "Arab Spring" countries, that they had to invent IS to whip up public support with fake beheadings as an excuse to justify going into Syria.

Reminds me of this from ?another thread on pistonheads a while back

[Transmitter Man]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Not entirely unexpected in hindsight.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose...

Russia Promises "Economic And Military" Aid To Syria As US Refloats Assad "Chemical Weapons" Trial Balloon

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/russia-pr...

I hadn't read much about sarin however there seems enough evidence that chlorine has been used.

If you remember a year or so back that chlorine was left out of the banned chemicals list due to it's 'other' industrial uses.

Maybe Asma needs some for the swimming pool.

[Transmitter Man]

The Don of Croy said:

I thought both of them had enough Islamists to keep them busy within their own borders? Chechnya and those far flung western provinces bordering eastern Russia?

Chechnya is now very, very quiet, and has been for a while;

4th from the left: http://gdb.rferl.org/D3DCC035-BA58-48A2-8F54-38A53...

[The Don of Croy]

Transmitter Man said:

The Don of Croy said:

I thought both of them had enough Islamists to keep them busy within their own borders? Chechnya and those far flung western provinces bordering eastern Russia?

Chechnya is now very, very quiet, and has been for a while;

4th from the left: http://gdb.rferl.org/D3DCC035-BA58-48A2-8F54-38A53...

The appearance of 800,000 on the streets in Chechnya protesting against Charlie Hebdo earlier this year seems to indicate some fairly pro-militant support. The current leader/despot is only marking time...

[Art0ir]

Transmitter Man said:

Hi Mermaid,

I'm not sure those countries listed are suffering from home grown IS islamists.

Is it something to do with the UK having handed out passports to everyone & their mother over the past fifty years? I don't know.


Phil

I would posit that the number of home grown Islamists is proportionate to the number of bombs dropped by the host country in the M.E.

[Mermaid]

Art0ir said:

Transmitter Man said:

Hi Mermaid,

I'm not sure those countries listed are suffering from home grown IS islamists.

Is it something to do with the UK having handed out passports to everyone & their mother over the past fifty years? I don't know.


Phil

I would posit that the number of home grown Islamists is proportionate to the number of bombs dropped by the host country in the M.E.

Denmark, Sweden has not dropped bombs on anyone for a while but have been generous in allowing migrants in.

[Transmitter Man]

Art0ir said:

I would posit that the number of home grown Islamists is proportionate to the number of bombs dropped by the host country in the M.E.

Pakistan does not = Middle East.

We have a whole bunch of ME arabs living here the vast majority of which may have political tendecies for their countries politics but they don't go around strapping bombs to themselves let alone taking vacations to Turkey & ending up in Syria.

[John145]

Mermaid said:

Imagine China sent 50,000 of their troops to fight against IS? Swift resolution.

ROFL.

Do you think 50,000 Chinese soldiers would find swift resolution? Delusional... Similar numbers of Americans in Iraq didn't find swift resolution and their training is far superior.

[Mermaid]

John145 said:

Mermaid said:

Imagine China sent 50,000 of their troops to fight against IS? Swift resolution.

ROFL.

Do you think 50,000 Chinese soldiers would find swift resolution? Delusional... Similar numbers of Americans in Iraq didn't find swift resolution and their training is far superior.

I accept your point, I suppose one asks questions 1st - the other will likely shoot 1st. And no I do not wish it - requires an arab/muslim army but then we get to the Shia/Sunni st.

[The Don of Croy]

Not sure if another topic has covered the Turkish bombing...

...not just ISIS in Syria, but also the (hated) Kurds.

Is it me or is this whole situation seemingly getting worse? The Kurds have no time for ISIS, remain stateless, receive some limited help from outside but have otherwise been making ground against the black flag nutters.

Now Turkey uses the opportunity to bomb ISIS to also bomb the Kurds.

I think there's set to be a conference soon to discuss...just surprised it isn't bigger news, frankly.

[Mermaid]

The Don of Croy said:

I think there's set to be a conference soon to discuss...just surprised it isn't bigger news, frankly.

The Turks have been taking about it - to them both are terrorists, and are using this opportunity to whack the Kurds. Now if the Kurds joined IS to attack Turkey....

[Art0ir]

Mermaid said:

The Don of Croy said:

I think there's set to be a conference soon to discuss...just surprised it isn't bigger news, frankly.

The Turks have been taking about it - to them both are terrorists, and are using this opportunity to whack the Kurds. Now if the Kurds joined IS to attack Turkey....

The Kurds would lose all outside support if they did such a thing. Plus they have no interest in all of Turkey, only their regions.

[TheJimi]

It's not wholesale "The Kurds" that Turkey are attacking, it's the PKK, and affiliates.

The Peshmerga, for example (as far as I can make out!) are allies of sorts, of Turkey.

[MrBrightSi]

TheJimi said:

It's not wholesale "The Kurds" that Turkey are attacking, it's the PKK, and affiliates.

The Peshmerga, for example (as far as I can make out!) are allies of sorts, of Turkey.

Isn't it the PKK and YPG have their own issues with each other.

I remember reading that there is friction when they have recently worked together when fighting ISIS but that both sides understand the greater evil.

From what i gathered, one side is willing to leave the whole turkish land thing go and the other half are still 100% for Kurdistan being carved from a part of turkey.

Turkey, nato first member (after the founders), G20 member and EU hopeful. Scary.

[Transmitter Man]

MrBrightSi said:

Isn't it the PKK and YPG have their own issues with each other.

I remember reading that there is friction when they have recently worked together when fighting ISIS but that both sides understand the greater evil.

From what i gathered, one side is willing to leave the whole turkish land thing go and the other half are still 100% for Kurdistan being carved from a part of turkey.

Turkey, nato first member (after the founders), G20 member and EU hopeful. Scary.

I think you're right on this bit:

Isn't it the PKK and YPG have their own issues with each other.

I remember reading that there is friction when they have recently worked together when fighting ISIS but that both sides understand the greater evil.

Pro-AKP Journalist: If Kurds keep on supporting #HDP, they will face the consequences Armenians faced back in 1915

No love lost between the two groups.

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Wednesday 29th July 04:25