Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Putin's a very cunning operator isn't he, beautiful bit of diplomacy playing out at the moment, his desire to want to get on operations with the US to defend Assad is a master stroke and has further highlighted the plain ridiculousness of the US and Euro allies position.
This has become an enemies enemy is our enemy but also friend to our enemy which makes our enemies friend less of an enemy than our enemies friend - who is Iran, and our sworn enemy type situation.
This has become an enemies enemy is our enemy but also friend to our enemy which makes our enemies friend less of an enemy than our enemies friend - who is Iran, and our sworn enemy type situation.
fblm said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Jean charles de Menezes, the Guilford four and the Maguire seven might disagree with you.
Was there any suggestion the de Menezes killing was ordered by the government? I don't think so, I don't recall them even knowing about it until afterwards, it was a routine surveillence that went bizzarely and horribly wrong. As for the Guildford Four and Maguire Seven they would probably be very surprised to learn they had been killed. Is that all you got?You might notice that they others are not dead because there was due process. This contrasts with Mr Cameron decision to assassinate British citizens, which he determined to be a threat.
I wonder if they were 45 minutes away from commiting an act of terrorism.
Where have I heard that before again?
Obama looking like a mug, Trump all over USA media saying he would have worked with Putin years ago to wipe this cancer out and the Iranian deal is a stupid contract that makes USA look like babies,EU getting shafted by Migrants.
Assad bolstering his little portion of Syria, Putin sitting there looking like a boss, Iranians announcing the nuclear deal is first step towards being free of sanctions and looking forward to trading with the world, China announcing 8k troops and $1bn to the UN.
Suddenly the good guys are tripping over their trousers around their ankles & the bad guys look like they know what they are doing! EPIC FAIL!!!!
The only smart clown here is Cameron, he just went on a little somalia/sudan expedition to save people from crazy barbarians...in a training role ofcourse. So UK is busy doing their own little gig for world peace, the rest of them are looking at each other wondering wtf just happened! proper funny movie script!
All we need is Kim to test fire a few duds into the sea and Obama will probably cry!
Assad bolstering his little portion of Syria, Putin sitting there looking like a boss, Iranians announcing the nuclear deal is first step towards being free of sanctions and looking forward to trading with the world, China announcing 8k troops and $1bn to the UN.
Suddenly the good guys are tripping over their trousers around their ankles & the bad guys look like they know what they are doing! EPIC FAIL!!!!
The only smart clown here is Cameron, he just went on a little somalia/sudan expedition to save people from crazy barbarians...in a training role ofcourse. So UK is busy doing their own little gig for world peace, the rest of them are looking at each other wondering wtf just happened! proper funny movie script!
All we need is Kim to test fire a few duds into the sea and Obama will probably cry!
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I am sure Jean charles is hugely relieved it was just a bizarre surveillence mistake. Lucky him.
You might notice that they others are not dead because there was due process. This contrasts with Mr Cameron decision to assassinate British citizens, which he determined to be a threat.
I wonder if they were 45 minutes away from commiting an act of terrorism.
Where have I heard that before again?
So in defence of your drivel about the 'slippery slope' of government ordering extra judicial killings of British subjects you bring up 1 case that was neither a British citizen nor government ordered and 2 cases where there was no killing at all? Genius! Now you hold up the Guildford 4 and Maguire 7 as examples of due process! You might notice that they others are not dead because there was due process. This contrasts with Mr Cameron decision to assassinate British citizens, which he determined to be a threat.
I wonder if they were 45 minutes away from commiting an act of terrorism.
Where have I heard that before again?
Text book examples of due process! FFSfblm said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I am sure Jean charles is hugely relieved it was just a bizarre surveillence mistake. Lucky him.
You might notice that they others are not dead because there was due process. This contrasts with Mr Cameron decision to assassinate British citizens, which he determined to be a threat.
I wonder if they were 45 minutes away from commiting an act of terrorism.
Where have I heard that before again?
So in defence of your drivel about the 'slippery slope' of government ordering extra judicial killings of British subjects you bring up 1 case that was neither a British citizen nor government ordered and 2 cases where there was no killing at all? Genius! Now you hold up the Guildford 4 and Maguire 7 as examples of due process! You might notice that they others are not dead because there was due process. This contrasts with Mr Cameron decision to assassinate British citizens, which he determined to be a threat.
I wonder if they were 45 minutes away from commiting an act of terrorism.
Where have I heard that before again?
Text book examples of due process! FFSDo you now get it or shall I type slower?
QuantumTokoloshi said:
And now we send suspects, not convicted in courts to Guantanemo bay, where innocent men sit in solitary confinement for years without any due process at all, or are complicit in extrodinary rendition or simply assassinate them on Cameron's say so, without any outcry ot even public or judicial questioning or parliamentary oversight. FFS indeed.
Do you now get it or shall I type slower?
Bless. How naive can you be? Join ISIS, get killed, good riddance. You can bleat about the law all you like I don't know anyone who could give a toss. Ooooh no its a slippery slope they'll be coming after me next! Do you now get it or shall I type slower?
QuantumTokoloshi said:
And now we send suspects, not convicted in courts to Guantanemo bay, where innocent men sit in solitary confinement for years without any due process at all, or are complicit in extrodinary rendition or simply assassinate them on Cameron's say so, without any outcry ot even public or judicial questioning or parliamentary oversight. FFS indeed.
Do you now get it or shall I type slower?
I'm not seeing a lot of common ground between the guy released from Gitmo(who should have been released years ago and who has had the PM, Foreign Secretarys and others ask for his release repeatedly) and the 2 dead scumbags whose burgeoning careers in the field of terrorism seem well documented by themselves in ego-stroking vlogs; the squeamishness seems to stem from them being targetted specifically and that it was a drone that dropped the weapon, not that they got killed by an RAF bomb in what is a war zone in all but name, a curious form of relativism.Do you now get it or shall I type slower?
hidetheelephants said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
And now we send suspects, not convicted in courts to Guantanemo bay, where innocent men sit in solitary confinement for years without any due process at all, or are complicit in extrodinary rendition or simply assassinate them on Cameron's say so, without any outcry ot even public or judicial questioning or parliamentary oversight. FFS indeed.
Do you now get it or shall I type slower?
I'm not seeing a lot of common ground between the guy released from Gitmo(who should have been released years ago and who has had the PM, Foreign Secretarys and others ask for his release repeatedly) and the 2 dead scumbags whose burgeoning careers in the field of terrorism seem well documented by themselves in ego-stroking vlogs; the squeamishness seems to stem from them being targetted specifically and that it was a drone that dropped the weapon, not that they got killed by an RAF bomb in what is a war zone in all but name, a curious form of relativism.Do you now get it or shall I type slower?
The very fact that the poor sod/s in Guantanamo did go through multiple governments and ministers should be indicating a serious issue. No charge, no due process, no trial, drop a bomb and kill everyone within 50M, no problem.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 30th September 12:25
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 30th September 12:30
scherzkeks said:
Why should targeted killings not be subject to the legal process?
How do you think that would work ? every bomb that is dropped bullet that is fired in a war zone, have it go through the legal process? because we now have more information about what is happening in the battle field does not change the fact that it would be impossible to operate if we had to get the legal profession involved for each action. PRTVR said:
How do you think that would work ? every bomb that is dropped bullet that is fired in a war zone, have it go through the legal process? because we now have more information about what is happening in the battle field does not change the fact that it would be impossible to operate if we had to get the legal profession involved for each action.
Reread the original post, slowly. scherzkeks said:
fblm said:
Ooooh no its a slippery slope they'll be coming after me next!
Explain why the targeted killings that have taken place in recent years should not be subject to the legal process. Thanks.cirian75 said:
Subtle misinformation has started already:www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/russia-launc...
"US officials told Reuters that Russian airstrikes appeared to have taken place in the vicinity of Homs"
</snip>
"The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights earlier said at least 27 people were killed in airstrikes on areas in the western province of Homs. The strikes targeted northern areas in the Homs countryside. Six children were among the dead, while dozens were wounded, the organisation added."
Turns out that although these statements are almost next to eachother, the 27 people were actually killed by the Syrian air force, not the Russians as implied.
Learnt something else new today too.
Wiki says "The United Kingdom-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop."
I am not sure comparisons between drone strikes on well known terrorists active in a war zone and openly admitting acts of terrorism is analogous with a political dissenter not actively in a war zone or indeed engaged in direct military confrontation with their national governement.
But if you truly believe their are parallels between the assassination of Litveyenko in the UK and drone strikes in a war zone - then fair play to you, it is a stretch of imagination I can't quite manage.
Additionally, odd that people are knocking the O bomber for not being "robust" and yet Cameron is coping flak when he makes a strong move.
Essentially the people in the US and the UK (AKA "The West") are fundamentally opposed to foreign wars, which of course gives sociopath regimes like Russia, China and Syria an excellent advantage.
Gargamel said:
Essentially the people in the US and the UK (AKA "The West") are fundamentally opposed to foreign wars, which of course gives sociopath regimes like Russia, China and Syria an excellent advantage.
Remind us where ISIS came from as well as what foreign policy drove the "pre-emptive" attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq. It would appear you left out some sociopathic regimes. Wonder if the Saudis also qualify? Facts are, as always, inconvenient to the war machine's propaganda.kentlad said:
FredClogs said:
This has become an enemies enemy is our enemy but also friend to our enemy which makes our enemies friend less of an enemy than our enemies friend - who is Iran, and our sworn enemy type situation.
you just made me dizyGiven that it will all end out well.
Imagine if the Argentinians started fighting .. strewth ... gits.
scherzkeks said:
Explain why the targeted killings that have taken place in recent years should not be subject to the legal process. Thanks.
Explain how I am supposed to answer such a stupidly vague question. Then explain why I should care that they were targeted rather than simply killed as enemy combatants. Here's a simple rule of thumb; don't join ISIS in a war zone, don't get killed by a government ordered drone strike. It's worked for me so far.QuantumTokoloshi said:
By your logic, the Litvinenko assassination was a perfectly acceptable action from a Russian perspective?
Ex FSB Agent, then journalist and anti corruption campaigner given asylum in London. Murderous ISIS thug in Syria. Are you really struggling with the difference?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff