Meanwhile, In Syria
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Chimune said:
Learnt something else new today too.
Wiki says "The United Kingdom-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop."
Holy moly that's amazing. Wiki says "The United Kingdom-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop."
AshBurrows said:
Chimune said:
Learnt something else new today too.
Wiki says "The United Kingdom-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop."
Holy moly that's amazing. Wiki says "The United Kingdom-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop."
Chimune said:
cirian75 said:
Subtle misinformation has started already:www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/russia-launc...
"US officials told Reuters that Russian airstrikes appeared to have taken place in the vicinity of Homs"
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"The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights earlier said at least 27 people were killed in airstrikes on areas in the western province of Homs. The strikes targeted northern areas in the Homs countryside. Six children were among the dead, while dozens were wounded, the organisation added."
Turns out that although these statements are almost next to eachother, the 27 people were actually killed by the Syrian air force, not the Russians as implied.
Learnt something else new today too.
Wiki says "The United Kingdom-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop."
Poor America. So stupid.
jimmybobby said:
Chimune said:
cirian75 said:
Subtle misinformation has started already:www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/russia-launc...
"US officials told Reuters that Russian airstrikes appeared to have taken place in the vicinity of Homs"
</snip>
"The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights earlier said at least 27 people were killed in airstrikes on areas in the western province of Homs. The strikes targeted northern areas in the Homs countryside. Six children were among the dead, while dozens were wounded, the organisation added."
Turns out that although these statements are almost next to eachother, the 27 people were actually killed by the Syrian air force, not the Russians as implied.
Learnt something else new today too.
Wiki says "The United Kingdom-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop."
Poor America. So stupid.
Esseesse said:
fblm said:
Esseesse said:
I think I agree with you scherzkeks. A dangerous precedent.
What is the 'precedent' you're worried about?fblm said:
scherzkeks said:
Explain why the targeted killings that have taken place in recent years should not be subject to the legal process. Thanks.
Explain how I am supposed to answer such a stupidly vague question. Then explain why I should care that they were targeted rather than simply killed as enemy combatants. Here's a simple rule of thumb; don't join ISIS in a war zone, don't get killed by a government ordered drone strike. It's worked for me so far.Putin said that there were not "Russian solders and military tools in Ukraine but satellites showed columns of tanks on trailers
Putin is fighting ISIS in Syria but putting bombs on the heads of moderate fighters, whom he now calls ISIS.
Do you think Obama realizes he's been kicked in the ass?
Phil
Putin is fighting ISIS in Syria but putting bombs on the heads of moderate fighters, whom he now calls ISIS.
Do you think Obama realizes he's been kicked in the ass?
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Putin said that there were not "Russian solders and military tools in Ukraine but satellites showed columns of tanks on trailers
Putin is fighting ISIS in Syria but putting bombs on the heads of moderate fighters, whom he now calls ISIS.
Do you think Obama realizes he's been kicked in the ass?
Phil
YupPutin is fighting ISIS in Syria but putting bombs on the heads of moderate fighters, whom he now calls ISIS.
Do you think Obama realizes he's been kicked in the ass?
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Putin said that there were not "Russian solders and military tools in Ukraine but satellites showed columns of tanks on trailers
Putin is fighting ISIS in Syria but putting bombs on the heads of moderate fighters, whom he now calls ISIS.
Do you think Obama realizes he's been kicked in the ass?
Phil
These mythical "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist fighters, like al-Qaeda or Al Nusra? Do you actually mean terrorists, some of whom are being armed and trained by the USA, but the weapons are being handed over to ISIS.Putin is fighting ISIS in Syria but putting bombs on the heads of moderate fighters, whom he now calls ISIS.
Do you think Obama realizes he's been kicked in the ass?
Phil
Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 07:18
QuantumTokoloshi said:
These mythical "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist fighters, like al-Qaeda or Al Nusra? Do you actually mean terrorists, some of whoever being armed and trained by the USA, but the weapons are being handed over to ISIS.
Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Good on Russia, I say. Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 07:03
I hope Assad stays in power and takes his country back. A secular and stable Syria is in the best interest for most people in the region, imho.
V88Dicky said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
These mythical "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist fighters, like al-Qaeda or Al Nusra? Do you actually mean terrorists, some of whoever being armed and trained by the USA, but the weapons are being handed over to ISIS.
Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Good on Russia, I say. Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 07:03
I hope Assad stays in power and takes his country back. A secular and stable Syria is in the best interest for most people in the region, imho.
PRTVR said:
V88Dicky said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
These mythical "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist fighters, like al-Qaeda or Al Nusra? Do you actually mean terrorists, some of whoever being armed and trained by the USA, but the weapons are being handed over to ISIS.
Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Good on Russia, I say. Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 07:03
I hope Assad stays in power and takes his country back. A secular and stable Syria is in the best interest for most people in the region, imho.
It is amazing how the media is now asking the questions about "will this action make it worse?", the scrutiny of the civilian casualties in the bombing campaign. When it is a not approved government, sorry regime, they are civilian casualties, otherwise they are called collateral damage. Suddenly, military intervention is not a good and noble action protecting people from violent extremists. It is a power hungry demagogue, expanding his influence.
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
Why were these questions not asked when the UK, France and the USA "bombed for democracy and freedom" in Libya, and protected civilians by dropping bombs on them or gave the gift of explosive democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan. The questions about continued supply of weapons and training to terrorist groups within Syria prolonging the conflict and ultimately making ISIS stronger? The non-questioning about the absurd 45 minute claim in Iraq? The non questioning of the Al Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein or the entire non WMD lie.
Where are the questions about Saudi, USA and UAE role in Yemen, Saudi and Qatari involvement in Syria?
The UK and Western media has gone into overdrive to shape this narrative quickly, as this intervention has caught them cold. They really do need to ensure the appropriate message is beamed out again.
The war with Eurasia cannot falter, remember war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, fellow citizens and subjects.
Propaganda war hots up.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-30/propagand...
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
Why were these questions not asked when the UK, France and the USA "bombed for democracy and freedom" in Libya, and protected civilians by dropping bombs on them or gave the gift of explosive democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan. The questions about continued supply of weapons and training to terrorist groups within Syria prolonging the conflict and ultimately making ISIS stronger? The non-questioning about the absurd 45 minute claim in Iraq? The non questioning of the Al Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein or the entire non WMD lie.
Where are the questions about Saudi, USA and UAE role in Yemen, Saudi and Qatari involvement in Syria?
The UK and Western media has gone into overdrive to shape this narrative quickly, as this intervention has caught them cold. They really do need to ensure the appropriate message is beamed out again.
The war with Eurasia cannot falter, remember war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, fellow citizens and subjects.
Propaganda war hots up.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-30/propagand...
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 10:55
MikeT66 said:
PRTVR said:
V88Dicky said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
These mythical "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist fighters, like al-Qaeda or Al Nusra? Do you actually mean terrorists, some of whoever being armed and trained by the USA, but the weapons are being handed over to ISIS.
Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Good on Russia, I say. Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 07:03
I hope Assad stays in power and takes his country back. A secular and stable Syria is in the best interest for most people in the region, imho.
Wills2 said:
MikeT66 said:
PRTVR said:
V88Dicky said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
These mythical "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist fighters, like al-Qaeda or Al Nusra? Do you actually mean terrorists, some of whoever being armed and trained by the USA, but the weapons are being handed over to ISIS.
Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Good on Russia, I say. Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 07:03
I hope Assad stays in power and takes his country back. A secular and stable Syria is in the best interest for most people in the region, imho.
Fact of the matter is that Syria presents a far greater risk to national and regional security currently than Iraq or Afghanistan ever did before our dubious and ill-founded interventions without end-game. We've painted ourselves into a corner and no longer know who to fight or why so are impotent to intervene in any realistic way, especially with the 'Arab guilt' after 15 years of fecking about in their affairs.
Putin has no such truck with whether he offends the sensibilities of the procrastinators and hand-wringers and can intervene robustly with a view to rebooting Assad, to his own huge advantage both strategically in the region and tactically in the domestic sphere.
Obama, Camerone et al have had the march stolen from them and can only bleat from the sidelines in ironic argument about killing the wrong sort of terrorist. They have the temerity to point a finger and conveniently forget their instrumentality in creating the whole situation in the first place. I'm aghast at their lack of humility, but not surprised.
Like I say, all the ammo has gone, fired long ago at the wrong targets. We just have to sit and watch; the least we can do is stop bleating about it.
Wills2 said:
MikeT66 said:
PRTVR said:
V88Dicky said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
These mythical "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist fighters, like al-Qaeda or Al Nusra? Do you actually mean terrorists, some of whoever being armed and trained by the USA, but the weapons are being handed over to ISIS.
Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Good on Russia, I say. Did the USA not tacitly support another terrorist group in the recent past? The one which blew up Canary wharf, Manchester and Brighton? I guess they were also moderates.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 1st October 07:03
I hope Assad stays in power and takes his country back. A secular and stable Syria is in the best interest for most people in the region, imho.
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