Meanwhile, In Syria

[Scuffers]

Transmitter Man said:

Anyone any idea what type munitions these are being dropped by the Su24, starts at around 10 seconds into the video?

https://youtu.be/zQOM0ZXKJmo

Phil

At a guess, RBK-500-D

http://su-27flanker.com/weapon/rbk-500/

[cirian75]

ah, a cluster bomb, I think the UK and US stopped using them as they cause a long term issue similar to unmapped mine fields.

= they kill people decades after being dropped.

[anonymous-user]

cirian75 said:

ah, a cluster bomb, I think the UK and US stopped using them as they cause a long term issue similar to unmapped mine fields.

= they kill people decades after being dropped.

The UK did in 2010 the US didn't. The US says 'smarter' versions being developed each bomblet has its own guidance and self destruct computer.

[scherzkeks]

Transmitter Man said:

So far Bellingcat has identified 3 Russian MoD airstrike videos as falsely claiming to hit ISIS, having the wrong locations, or both.

https://www.bellingcat.com/

Phil

Ah, yes the "citizen investigative journalist" bloggers most famous for their in-depth investigations using Google Earth.

Edit: About as credible as the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" -- or a guy named Rami who posts on the Internet from in his bedroom in Coventry.

Good grief.

Edited by scherzkeks on Monday 5th October 16:35

[Transmitter Man]

scherzkeks said:

Ah, yes the "citizen investigative journalist" bloggers most famous for their in-depth investigations using Google Earth.

Edit: About as credible as the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" -- or a guy named Rami who posts on the Internet from in his bedroom in Coventry.

Good grief.

Edited by scherzkeks on Monday 5th October 16:35

Scherz,

Can you offer a more credible source of information on this particular incident of the Syrian conflict?

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Monday 5th October 17:43

[essayer]

Squeaky bum time

BBC said:

Nato has urged Russia to end air strikes "on the Syrian opposition and civilians", days after Moscow began raids to support Syria's government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34448942

[AreOut]

well, for Putin there is no going back from this point

[skyrover]

Always a zero-sum game for the Muscovite

[Burwood]

Terrible state of affairs but I did ponder whether they are using 'old stock' which has just been laying about. Sad to say but war of some variant has always and will probably always prevail
down in that part of the world.

[LordFlathead]

Yes but where will it end? US will not like that.. I guess we will get dragged into it again as we always do via NATO.

Total mess in the name of terror.

[Burwood]

I think the terror name as you put it is serious. All I can say is it's terrible for the innocents. My wife worries about attacks in the uk when taking the kids out. Ii can imagine the people caught up in this. My rationale is they are all mad in the ME.

[hidetheelephants]

Scuffers said:

Might be just me, but if you look at the film/pictures of this hospital, does it really look like it was subjected to an (US) air attack?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34432471

all the walls are still standing, and the interiors on fire, so what exactly are the US planes dropping that's small enough not to blow the buildings apart?

anybody got any thoughts on this?

Looks more like a rocket or mortar attack, or if from the air Hellfire from a chopper; there doesn't seem to be enough damage or shrapnel pockmarks for LGBs.

cirian75 said:

ah, a cluster bomb, I think the UK and US stopped using them as they cause a long term issue similar to unmapped mine fields.

= they kill people decades after being dropped.

Not really true, for our cluster weapons anyway; the bomblets have enough metal content that sweeping them is relatively easy, certainly a lot easier than clearing argentine AP mines.

I'm sure Vladimir is quaking in his boots at receiving a stiffly worded letter from Mr Stoltenberg.

[Beati Dogu]

The hospital in Afghanistan was shot up by an AC-130 gunship, so it was probably 105 mm shells and/or smaller calibre canon fire that hit it.

Depending on the model, these aircraft may also carry Hellfire missiles and 250lb bombs. The plane was called in by Afghan forces who were under Taliban attack.

[hidetheelephants]

Beati Dogu said:

The hospital in Afghanistan was shot up by an AC-130 gunship, so it was probably 105 mm shells and/or smaller calibre canon fire that hit it.

Depending on the model, these aircraft may also carry Hellfire missiles and 250lb bombs. The plane was called in by Afghan forces who were under Taliban attack.

A good demonstration of why air support is a waste of time unless the ground forces have a FAC capable of doing his job.

[Transmitter Man]

AreOut said:

well, for Putin there is no going back from this point

I agree, and anyway, Putin is not the kind to listen to anyone but himself.

Phil

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

AreOut said:

well, for Putin there is no going back from this point

I agree, and anyway, Putin is not the kind to listen to anyone but himself.

Phil

The escalation has already started. This entire situation has the potential to spiral out of control rapidly.

A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?

"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."

It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...

[loose cannon]

The lack of will to deal with him in Crimea has just served to strengthen
His mindset on becoming the new Joseph starling

[Zod]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The escalation has already started. This entire situation has the potential to spiral out of control rapidly.

A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?

"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."

It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...

What is the point of using quotation marks on a comment from an anonymous article? To somehow lend it credibility?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

loose cannon said:

The lack of will to deal with him in Crimea has just served to strengthen
His mindset on becoming the new Joseph starling Josef Stalin

There is no dealing with here, there is only pragmatism. Russia is not a weakened Iraq or Libya, or a failed state like Afghanistan, Somalia or Yemen. Russia provides a sizable proportion of the world oil and gas, and provides the bulk of western European gas. Russia also happens to have the world's largest nuclear arsenal and a fair size conventional military.

How do you propose to deal with Russia? Get into a shooting war? Economic warfare? Train and arm terrorist groups to destabilise the country? Assassinate Putin? The problem is Russia, can, has, and will respond in kind.

It is possible that the Neocon strategy of a new American century might have some downsides here.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Zod said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The escalation has already started. This entire situation has the potential to spiral out of control rapidly.

A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?

"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."

It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...

What is the point of using quotation marks on a comment from an anonymous article? To somehow lend it credibility?

It is easier to do than fiddling with the forum quotes, and it is correct grammatically.