Meanwhile, In Syria
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Is this not very risky with Russian helicopters flying so low knowing the terrorists have been supplied advanced Chinese portable missile systems? Anyway looking at the number of videos uploaded by terrorists the Russians have been far more sussessful at locating terrorists than we have
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20d_1444313761
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=29d_1444316131
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Esseesse said:
AJS- said:
Essesse
Way off topic but interesting in it's own right.
Even as a fairly complete atheist that's a large number of abortions and I would like to see it fall a lot. The problem is whether you would end up just with a big impoverished population whose underclass were out breeding the productive class even faster than they already are. Maybe even worse as the marginals who made a one off mistake would probably be more careful and the incurably reckless would carry on regardless.
This is where a bit of fire and brimstone right wing Christianity could actually be a good thing. If we could be the one western country to really buck the trend and have a strong, employed and socially functional indigenous working class we would be unstoppable.
Once again, apologies for continuing off topic... But yes, although I couldn't say I'm really religious, in recent years I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is really what once kept the UK on the straight and narrow. Previously I had never given much thought to abortion, but once you have a dig around the details I find it impossible to agree with in anything but the very very rarest of cases. As you say, the side effect of the removal of this get out of jail free card would almost undoubtedly be people who behave in a more responsible way. I notice that they cost £600/go too, so that would also be £100M saved for the NHS/year.Way off topic but interesting in it's own right.
Even as a fairly complete atheist that's a large number of abortions and I would like to see it fall a lot. The problem is whether you would end up just with a big impoverished population whose underclass were out breeding the productive class even faster than they already are. Maybe even worse as the marginals who made a one off mistake would probably be more careful and the incurably reckless would carry on regardless.
This is where a bit of fire and brimstone right wing Christianity could actually be a good thing. If we could be the one western country to really buck the trend and have a strong, employed and socially functional indigenous working class we would be unstoppable.
tty, misogynistic and generally horrible, but despite this people still persisted in having a lot of sex and getting pregnant. The absence of on-demand abortion will not do much of anything apart from make a lot of unwilling people parents.Charlie1986 said:
So russia dropped some missiles on Iran too
or as the news said they "fell" on Iran
Correct, from what I've read the guidance systems on the cruise missile's are rather basic and I can understand why some fell short of the intended target.or as the news said they "fell" on Iran
...meanwhile the SAA have been having a bad day in Hama province:
https://youtu.be/lljAW3HFc0c
And they were far from the only ones. It seems that not all of Suqour Al Jabal's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suqour_al-Sham_Brigade) supplies were bombed because the TOW show must go on:
https://youtu.be/3jTywqUr4x0
Ok - I can sort of understand a push into Hama by Assad's forces because they might not have known a wall of ATGMs would await but there is no such excuse on the Ghab Plain....
https://youtu.be/WFEliogPkck
https://youtu.be/7LhwPzt2QAQ
https://youtu.be/J-zmVPni0e0
Do the Russian soldiers know what awaits them?
Does Putin care?
How will the mothers react when the bodybags are delivered instead of the post?
I suppose Putin will silence them as well like he's done to many well known investigative journalists in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Correct, from what I've read the guidance systems on the cruise missile's are rather basic and I can understand why some fell short of the intended target.
...meanwhile the SAA have been having a bad day in Hama province:
https://youtu.be/lljAW3HFc0c
And they were far from the only ones. It seems that not all of Suqour Al Jabal's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suqour_al-Sham_Brigade) supplies were bombed because the TOW show must go on:
https://youtu.be/3jTywqUr4x0
Ok - I can sort of understand a push into Hama by Assad's forces because they might not have known a wall of ATGMs would await but there is no such excuse on the Ghab Plain....
https://youtu.be/WFEliogPkck
https://youtu.be/7LhwPzt2QAQ
https://youtu.be/J-zmVPni0e0
Do the Russian soldiers know what awaits them?
Does Putin care?
How will the mothers react when the bodybags are delivered instead of the post?
I suppose Putin will silence them as well like he's done to many well known investigative journalists in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya
Phil
Why do you think it's a good idea to give people who's main conversation point is Allah Akbar a shipload of high tech weapons?...meanwhile the SAA have been having a bad day in Hama province:
https://youtu.be/lljAW3HFc0c
And they were far from the only ones. It seems that not all of Suqour Al Jabal's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suqour_al-Sham_Brigade) supplies were bombed because the TOW show must go on:
https://youtu.be/3jTywqUr4x0
Ok - I can sort of understand a push into Hama by Assad's forces because they might not have known a wall of ATGMs would await but there is no such excuse on the Ghab Plain....
https://youtu.be/WFEliogPkck
https://youtu.be/7LhwPzt2QAQ
https://youtu.be/J-zmVPni0e0
Do the Russian soldiers know what awaits them?
Does Putin care?
How will the mothers react when the bodybags are delivered instead of the post?
I suppose Putin will silence them as well like he's done to many well known investigative journalists in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya
Phil
Imagine one of those TOW units on a roof in Paris hitting a school bus or such next year, that won't make such good YouTube viewing.
Putin has vowed to wipe out IS. 150,000 Russian troops are to take Raqqa by force.
And I don't think Putin is joking.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609757/Putin-I...
And I don't think Putin is joking.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609757/Putin-I...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/08/russi...
"Riyadh’s anger over Vladimir Putin’s intervention was reflected in a statement by 55 leading clerics, including prominent Islamists, urging “true Muslims” to “give all moral, material, political and military” support to the fight against Assad’s army as well as Iranian and Russian forces.
“Russia has created a Frankenstein in the region which it will not be able to control,” warned a senior Qatari source. “With the call to jihad things will change. Everyone will go to fight. Even Muslims who sit in bars. There are 1.5 billion Muslims. Imagine what will happen if 1% of them join.”"
Sounds as if Saudi Arabia are about to make things a whole lot worse....
"Riyadh’s anger over Vladimir Putin’s intervention was reflected in a statement by 55 leading clerics, including prominent Islamists, urging “true Muslims” to “give all moral, material, political and military” support to the fight against Assad’s army as well as Iranian and Russian forces.
“Russia has created a Frankenstein in the region which it will not be able to control,” warned a senior Qatari source. “With the call to jihad things will change. Everyone will go to fight. Even Muslims who sit in bars. There are 1.5 billion Muslims. Imagine what will happen if 1% of them join.”"
Sounds as if Saudi Arabia are about to make things a whole lot worse....
Edited by Chimune on Thursday 8th October 23:56
Burwood said:
where would ISIS get their intelligence from- it must be old/crude and therefore at a huge disadvantage.
You would assume so, but do not forget those moderate fundamental islamists are supported by the USA, European nations, Turkey and the Gulf States.I am absolutely sure, that no intelligence, just like the weapons and training could ever fall into ISIS hands. No chance of that at all.
We have been assured by our politicians and military personnel. Just like the certainty about WMD in Iraq or the free and democratic utopia the Libyans would have after Gaddafi.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 9th October 05:33
Link seems to be dead, Zod.
hidetheelephants
It's not about going back to 1960 as such, just about whether we could do it better. Hence my emphasis on a socially functional working class and not a mire of unemployables churning out babies and living in shame and poverty.
Currently it seems as though having children before 30 is a waste of your youth, and having children before you have a mortgage and a high salary is selfish and irresponsible. Houses are out of reach for many young couples and women who do give birth are encouraged, and often have to dump their kids in child care and hurry back to work as soon as possible. The result of this is that considerate and responsible people are having few babies and having them later so the population is in decline except for those who are selfish and irresponsible.
What I would like to see rather than Christian fundamentalism is a shift in emphasis to encourage the right sort of people to have more kids, and the wrong sort of people to have a bit more restraint, or become the right sort.
Without that it seems we're doomed to terminal decline and a reliance on bringing ever more people from abroad.
hidetheelephants
It's not about going back to 1960 as such, just about whether we could do it better. Hence my emphasis on a socially functional working class and not a mire of unemployables churning out babies and living in shame and poverty.
Currently it seems as though having children before 30 is a waste of your youth, and having children before you have a mortgage and a high salary is selfish and irresponsible. Houses are out of reach for many young couples and women who do give birth are encouraged, and often have to dump their kids in child care and hurry back to work as soon as possible. The result of this is that considerate and responsible people are having few babies and having them later so the population is in decline except for those who are selfish and irresponsible.
What I would like to see rather than Christian fundamentalism is a shift in emphasis to encourage the right sort of people to have more kids, and the wrong sort of people to have a bit more restraint, or become the right sort.
Without that it seems we're doomed to terminal decline and a reliance on bringing ever more people from abroad.
Budflicker said:
Why do you think it's a good idea to give people who's main conversation point is Allah Akbar a shipload of high tech weapons?
Imagine one of those TOW units on a roof in Paris hitting a school bus or such next year, that won't make such good YouTube viewing.
Peter,Imagine one of those TOW units on a roof in Paris hitting a school bus or such next year, that won't make such good YouTube viewing.
Excluding the failure of that one opposition fighter that handed some US weapons to an AQ affiliated group a couple of weeks back surely it's better, in the eyes of Obama and others to support selected (Syrian) opposition groups with weapons & intelligence rather than putting US boots on the ground and making the same mistake as happened in previous ME expeditions?
(I'm thinking here re Northern Alliance during the Gulf & now Kurdish in NW Syria & N. Iraq.
Your thoughts on this specific point?
Phil
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