Meanwhile, In Syria

[Transmitter Man]

Who implied TOW's were sexy?

Re cluster munitions. Look no bomb is good. However what I should of said earlier is that the use of cluster bombs is surely to cause as much injury to anything and anyone standing over a wide area whereas the opposite could be said of a smart bomb (or so the marketing video's would led you believe.

So, in a conflict scenario a smart bomb could hit a single building whereas a bomb full of bomblets would do less damage to that building but inflict injury to anyone and everyone within a noticeably larger area.

I'd call a TOW with a suitably trained operative a smarter weapon that a cluster bomb, although I could be wrong.

Regarding Assad and before IS and any AQ affiliated groups came on the scene, he and his henchmen have terrorized and caused far more injury and pain to the Syrian people that any opposition group. In the early days of this conflict even his own soldiers were jumping ship and not because they wanted to join AQ or IS.

I'd like to know why several people here seem to think Putin is going to clean up, especially when despite what he's saying he's not even targeting IS?

Simply he is making this whole conflict worse not better.

Phil

[anonymous-user]

Transmitter Man said:

I'd like to know why several people here seem to think Putin is going to clean up, especially when despite what he's saying he's not even targeting IS?

Simply he is making this whole conflict worse not better.

Phil

Russia and Assad destroy the anti Assad groups with a combination of air and ground forces. Then they beat back Isis from Syria.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Driller said:

QT I agree with all of your sentiments on this thread re Syria etc but I just can't get the irony of, whatever the reason, trying to use a moral argument to justify using certain weapons to take life and not others.

Bearing in mind that the reasons for most of the life taking are financial.

Weapons are weapons, does it matter how someone was killed? they were killed. I can understand that sentiment, but landmines and cluster munitions are insidious long after the war is over. These weapons poison the peace.

[Transmitter Man]

Btw, does anyone know whose side the Kurds are on?

Phil

[Transmitter Man]

Btw, does anyone know whose side the Kurds are on?

Phil

[scherzkeks]

fblm said:

Comedy gold. Great work scherzkeks

Indeed, given that the source was reporting on info. from the Bundesnachrichtendienst. Zod didn't understand that though.

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

fblm said:

Comedy gold. Great work scherzkeks

Indeed, given that the source was reporting on info. from the Bundesnachrichtendienst. Zod didn't understand that though.

You just don't get that the websites you cite just underline how much of a fool you are.

I already dismissed your claims about the German story weeks ago. It was unsubstantiated hearsay. Your risible retort was to claim that I don't understand German.

This is the story from wibble website thesleuthjournal.com that scherzkeks took the picture from. Just check out the list of "sources":

Voice of Russia

Bild am Sonntag citing the Russian Foreign Ministry

Itar Tass

Russia Today

The Venezuelan Foreign Ministry

Bizarrely, the most credible bit quoted, a Washington Post op-ed by Henry Kissinger is cited without mentioning Kissinger. It just uses "he" without saying who "he" is.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 14th October 10:25

[anonymous-user]

Transmitter Man said:

Btw, does anyone know whose side the Kurds are on?

Phil

Well as ever it's complicated, there are good and bad Kurds. The USA supports the YPG whilst NATO allies Turkey are bombing the linked Kurdish 'terrorist group' the PKK.

If the USA supporting YPG can't make a deal with Assad and the Russians though, they might be hung out to dry in the end, despite being the only ones who are making gains against ISIS.

[slow_poke]

Transmitter Man said:

Btw, does anyone know whose side the Kurds are on?

Phil

Their own.

[scherzkeks]

Zod said:

You just don't get that the websites you cite just underline how much of a fool you are.

I already dismissed your claims about the German story weeks ago. It was unsubstantiated hearsay. Your risible retort was to claim that I don't understand German.

This is the story from wibble website thesleuthjournal.com that scherzkeks took the picture from. Just check out the list of "sources":

Voice of Russia

Bild am Sonntag citing the Russian Foreign Ministry

Itar Tass

Russia Today

The Venezuelan Foreign Ministry

Bizarrely, the most credible bit quoted, a Washington Post op-ed by Henry Kissinger is cited without mentioning Kissinger. It just uses "he" without saying who "he" is.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 14th October 10:25

I didn't cite a story from that Web site. I simply used one of many available images of Greystone/Academi contractors on the ground in the Ukraine. You can cite Google Image Search if you like.

Your comments on the German article I posted a while back remain as comical as they were on day one.

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

You just don't get that the websites you cite just underline how much of a fool you are.

I already dismissed your claims about the German story weeks ago. It was unsubstantiated hearsay. Your risible retort was to claim that I don't understand German.

This is the story from wibble website thesleuthjournal.com that scherzkeks took the picture from. Just check out the list of "sources":

Voice of Russia

Bild am Sonntag citing the Russian Foreign Ministry

Itar Tass

Russia Today

The Venezuelan Foreign Ministry

Bizarrely, the most credible bit quoted, a Washington Post op-ed by Henry Kissinger is cited without mentioning Kissinger. It just uses "he" without saying who "he" is.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 14th October 10:25

I didn't cite a story from that Web site. I simply used one of many available images of Greystone/Academi contractors on the ground in the Ukraine. You can cite Google Image Search if you like.

Your comments on the German article I posted a while back remain as comical as they were on day one.

The point is obvious: the photo you posted as evidence of Blackwater's presence in Ukraine came from a website of dubious credibility. You have failed to post any credible evidence of this claim.

I'm glad I amuse you as much as you amuse me.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 14th October 11:20

[scherzkeks]

Zod said:

he point is obvious: the photo you posted as evidence of Blackwater's presence in Ukraine came from a website of dubious credibility. You have failed to post any credible evidence of this claim.

I'm glad I amuse you as much as you amuse me.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 14th October 11:20

The Bundesnachrichtendienst is credible enough for me.

[Puggit]

Seems we're getting close to a Syria/Iran/Hezbollah/Russian offensive around Aleppo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

[AreOut]

slow_poke said:

Their own.

yupp, USA recently airdropped 50 tons of ammunition to them and Russia is also helping bombing their opponents so Turkey just went mad because of it

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-warns-us-r...

Erdogan thinks he can order US&Russia how to behave in a country that is not Turkey, what a prick

[dudleybloke]

These rebels that Putin are bombing....... Are they the same ones who gave ISIS all the Toyota pickups?

[TheJimi]

Have the yanks / coalition got a plan for what happens if the (good) bad guys win and actually topple Assad?

It's fking weapons-grade idiocy (literally!) - If Assad loses power, all we're gonna be left with is a massive fk-off power vacuum, and a huge uncontrollable mess.

IMO, we need to change tack and back Assad. As unpalatable as that may be, it is, as far as I can see, the lesser of the evils.

[hornet]

Transmitter Man said:

scherzkeks said:

If they did, these guys would certainly know.

How would a shot from behind several men in flak jackets answer the question, they may as well be in Brixton.

Phil

Without getting embroiled in the debate, here's a TinEye search of that image :-

http://tineye.com/search/767b405fefe057a5f227b6abb...

Most instances seem to be a cropped version of the tvc.ru image (removing the channel ident, so read into that what you will), although some appear to pre-date it, unless I'm reading it incorrectly. Tvc.ru is the address of TV Tsentr.

Not following those links from work, so difficult to know the wider context of the image, but don't see how they can be positively identified as anyone from the image alone? Sticking "Blackwater" in an image URL proves about as much as sticking "UFO" in a photo of an out of focus splodge in the sky.

[aeropilot]

TheJimi said:

Have the yanks / coalition got a plan for what happens if the (good) bad guys win and actually topple Assad?

Don't be silly.


Assad being toppled will just create another Iraq/Afghan/Libya etc.,etc.....
It's just out western political elite leaders (that's an oxymoron) are just too stupid/ignorant/arrogant/combination of all 3 to grasp that.........even after the catalogue of fk-ups they have presided over in the ME in the past 15 years+.

[joe_90]

TheJimi said:

Have the yanks / coalition got a plan for what happens if the (good) bad guys win and actually topple Assad?

[Zod]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

he point is obvious: the photo you posted as evidence of Blackwater's presence in Ukraine came from a website of dubious credibility. You have failed to post any credible evidence of this claim.

I'm glad I amuse you as much as you amuse me.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 14th October 11:20

The Bundesnachrichtendienst is credible enough for me.

If it had actually been sourced to the Bundesnachrichtendienst, then it might have been credible.

But it wasn't, as well you know.