Meanwhile, In Syria
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hornet said:
Transmitter Man said:
scherzkeks said:
If they did, these guys would certainly know. 
How would a shot from behind several men in flak jackets answer the question, they may as well be in Brixton.Phil
http://tineye.com/search/767b405fefe057a5f227b6abb...
Most instances seem to be a cropped version of the tvc.ru image (removing the channel ident, so read into that what you will), although some appear to pre-date it, unless I'm reading it incorrectly. Tvc.ru is the address of TV Tsentr.
Not following those links from work, so difficult to know the wider context of the image, but don't see how they can be positively identified as anyone from the image alone? Sticking "Blackwater" in an image URL proves about as much as sticking "UFO" in a photo of an out of focus splodge in the sky.
Zod said:
f it had actually been sourced to the Bundesnachrichtendienst, then it might have been credible.
But it wasn't, as well you know.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/laut-zeitungsbericht-amerikanische-soeldner-sollen-in-ostukraine-kaempfen-12933968.htmlBut it wasn't, as well you know.
"Die ukrainische Nationalgarde wird angeblich bei ihrem Einsatz in der Ostukraine von 400 Söldnern einer amerikanischen Sicherheitsfirma unterstützt. Ein Bericht beruft sich auf BND-Informationen. Die Firma dementiert."
Keep on digging that hole.
So much for Amnesty International: http://kurdishquestion.com/index.php/kurdistan/wes...
Either poor journalism or more probably politics
You decide.
Phil
Either poor journalism or more probably politics
You decide.
Phil
QuantumTokoloshi said:
The well documented agent orange dioxin contamination is another example.Some weapons also damage the next generation, ask the Japanese.
Surely it would be better to ask the Chinese and Koreans the Japanese experimented on with chemical and bio weapons? There have been no multigenerational effects recorded in the families of Hiroshima or Nagasaki survivors, unlike the poor buggers who were exposed to god knows what by the Japanese equivalent of Dr Mengele.hidetheelephants said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
The well documented agent orange dioxin contamination is another example.Some weapons also damage the next generation, ask the Japanese.
Surely it would be better to ask the Chinese and Koreans the Japanese experimented on with chemical and bio weapons? There have been no multigenerational effects recorded in the families of Hiroshima or Nagasaki survivors, unlike the poor buggers who were exposed to god knows what by the Japanese equivalent of Dr Mengele.So you are saying radioactive exposure does not cause DNA damage, or lead to high incidents of cancer in children?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 14th October 21:44
Did anyone watch 'Big phil's war, fighting IS' on sky?
It's on YouTube if and worth watching. It follows 'big phil' who is an ex UK soldier who is spending time with the kurdish YPG and female YPJ amongst others.
http://youtu.be/6FfRwhT2mf0
It's on YouTube if and worth watching. It follows 'big phil' who is an ex UK soldier who is spending time with the kurdish YPG and female YPJ amongst others.
http://youtu.be/6FfRwhT2mf0
Quantum'
Brigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
Brigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 15th October 20:35
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 15th October 20:36
Transmitter Man said:
Quantum'
Brigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
US specializes in hospitals. Brigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 15th October 20:35
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 15th October 20:36
Transmitter Man said:
Quantum'
Brigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
they fly 80 sorties a day, tired pilots + bad cooperation with SAA means FF is inevitableBrigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 15th October 20:35
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 15th October 20:36
all in all they did more against ISIS in 15 days than US did in a year, which doesn't mean US military is inept, rather raises the question about real intentions of US in Syria & Iraq
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I did know the Japanese did chemical and bio weapons experiments. The main exponent landed up free and clear after agreeing to share the research.
So you are saying radioactive exposure does not cause DNA damage, or lead to high incidents of cancer in children?
The Radiation Effects Research Foundation in Japan says it hasn't detected genetic damage or increased cancer incidence in children or grandchildren of Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors. I had a brief google to see what else there was out there and found a lot of things contradicting the RERF attributed to Christopher Busby. I would think twice about believing anything he's written; the groundless fear propagated by him and people like him has caused measurable harm.So you are saying radioactive exposure does not cause DNA damage, or lead to high incidents of cancer in children?
Many children conceived shortly after the bomb or in the womb when it was dropped were deformed and many aborted for similar reasons, but for children conceived later or the grandchildren of survivors no statistically significant effects have been found.
hidetheelephants said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I did know the Japanese did chemical and bio weapons experiments. The main exponent landed up free and clear after agreeing to share the research.
So you are saying radioactive exposure does not cause DNA damage, or lead to high incidents of cancer in children?
The Radiation Effects Research Foundation in Japan says it hasn't detected genetic damage or increased cancer incidence in children or grandchildren of Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors. I had a brief google to see what else there was out there and found a lot of things contradicting the RERF attributed to Christopher Busby. I would think twice about believing anything he's written; the groundless fear propagated by him and people like him has caused measurable harm.So you are saying radioactive exposure does not cause DNA damage, or lead to high incidents of cancer in children?
Many children conceived shortly after the bomb or in the womb when it was dropped were deformed and many aborted for similar reasons, but for children conceived later or the grandchildren of survivors no statistically significant effects have been found.
It is thought to be an evolutionary adaption, when the Earth was exposed to higher levels than today.
Dioxin and chemical poisoning may actually be more dangerous to humans over the long term, as we have not adapted to the exposure.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 16th October 07:26
Transmitter Man said:
Quantum'
Brigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
Unintentional deaths, collateral damage, whatever euphemism you use to describe it, is terrible. Brigade 26 in Homs suburbs is the second position in the past couple of days for Assad forces to be hit mistakenly by Russian warplanes.
What in the world are the Russians doing with their airstrikes today? Friendly fire incidents all over the place. How in the world do they miss so badly as to bomb the Homs military academy and artillery base?
Other than counter attacking across Europe or fighting small neighboring countries Russia's track record for successful military actions falls somewhere between Needs Improvement and Very Poor and we complain about the US & Israel.
Phil
The Russians do have a loooong way to go to match the coalition of the willing when it comes to killing civilians or blue on blue casualties.
The saying goes, when the British bomb, the enemy runs. When the Americans bomb everyone runs.
How many civilians have been killed by the weapons supplied by Saudi, Turkey or the USA? We will never know.
Rogue86 said:
Incredible amounts of hypocrisy in this thread. First we shouldnt get involved. Then we shouldnt be involved, then the Russians actually get involved, then we're not involved enough, now we're even condoning Russian blue-on-blues.
Make your mind up fellas!
you're not wrong, problem is we already are involved!Make your mind up fellas!
we (as in the west) have been responsible for it getting to the mess it is now by subverting assad and supporting the uprising (both politically and militarily)
another foreign policy success.
Rogue86 said:
Incredible amounts of hypocrisy in this thread. First we shouldnt get involved. Then we shouldnt be involved, then the Russians actually get involved, then we're not involved enough, now we're even condoning Russian blue-on-blues.
Make your mind up fellas!
It makes a change from condoning US and associated allies actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya etc.Make your mind up fellas!
Rogue86 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
It makes a change from condoning US and associated allies actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya etc.
By polarising the argument so much that you support the same actions by someone else purely because they oppose us?I am not condoning it by any measure, merely adding the context in which they have occurred. A decade of accepting "collateral damage" does tend to colour the argument somewhat. The hypocrisy is the outrage at Russian "casualties" but acceptance of Coalition "collateral damage".
QuantumTokoloshi said:
You seem to have missed my very first sentence above. Unintentional deaths, collateral damage, whatever euphemism you use to describe it, is terrible.
I am not condoning it by any measure, merely adding the context in which they have occurred. A decade of accepting "collateral damage" does tend to colour the argument somewhat. The hypocrisy is the outrage at Russian "casualties" but acceptance of Coalition "collateral damage".
You seem to have taken the collective 'you' to heart - my point was about 'the inevitability' of Russian friendly fire mentioned above.I am not condoning it by any measure, merely adding the context in which they have occurred. A decade of accepting "collateral damage" does tend to colour the argument somewhat. The hypocrisy is the outrage at Russian "casualties" but acceptance of Coalition "collateral damage".
The reason there is outrage is because the West does try and minimise that 'collateral damage' - we operate under very strict ROEs (almost comically strict at times). Granted, it doesn't always work and mistakes do happen - there's no two ways about it, those mistakes are unacceptable and horrific and as such the people responsible are held accountable for them.
From the footage I've seen so far the Russians seem to be adopting the same 'scorched earth' techniques they were using in the 80s, using cluster munitions and huge amounts of inaccurate IDF over large areas.
Did anybody else see the report from Amnesty citing the Kurds for 'humanitarian crimes'?
According to AI the Kurds have been sweeping through the countryside to flush out ISIL/Daesh, clearing communities and then flattening the buildings so they cannot return, regardless of whether they are enemy or not. A kind of ethnic cleansing.
Probably not the first time it's happened.
This is a really complicated and thoroughly unpleasant bit of history unfolding. Lots of instances of unwarranted or over-zealous reactions to perceived threats, enabling future generations to be taught what utter b
ds their enemies are. And so it goes on.
Still, at least we get to prosecute some more Lockerbie bombers soon.
According to AI the Kurds have been sweeping through the countryside to flush out ISIL/Daesh, clearing communities and then flattening the buildings so they cannot return, regardless of whether they are enemy or not. A kind of ethnic cleansing.
Probably not the first time it's happened.
This is a really complicated and thoroughly unpleasant bit of history unfolding. Lots of instances of unwarranted or over-zealous reactions to perceived threats, enabling future generations to be taught what utter b
ds their enemies are. And so it goes on.Still, at least we get to prosecute some more Lockerbie bombers soon.
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