Meanwhile, In Syria
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
This is probably the first time in 50 years the IAF do not have carte blanche to bomb any of their northern neighbours. I also doubt the Syria army or airforce is now on the list of targets. Israel does not want to get entangled with Russia in a shooting match over Syria.
...that is unless it's caught delivering Iranian arms to Southern Lebanon.Keep smiling Nas.
Catch them while they're young.
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Wednesday 4th November 06:53
Transmitter Man said:
Bibbs said:
Compared to?
Iraq who invaded their neighbors twice?
Saudi that funds and exports terrorism across the world?
Israel who is constantly bombing people?
They may not be saints, but compared to the rest.
I think you have a tendency to exaggerate.Iraq who invaded their neighbors twice?
Saudi that funds and exports terrorism across the world?
Israel who is constantly bombing people?
They may not be saints, but compared to the rest.
Phil
Iraq invaded Iran, and then Kuwait.
Saudi sponsors Al Qaeda, Taliban, Daesh, Al-Nusra ..
Israel is bombing Gaza frequently.
Transmitter Man said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
This is probably the first time in 50 years the IAF do not have carte blanche to bomb any of their northern neighbours. I also doubt the Syria army or airforce is now on the list of targets. Israel does not want to get entangled with Russia in a shooting match over Syria.
...that is unless it's caught delivering Iranian arms to Southern Lebanon.Keep smiling Nas.
Catch them while they're young.
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Wednesday 4th November 06:53
I notice the coverage of the Aleppo fighting has gone very quiet. I wonder why?
Could it be that the Syrian government forces are making ground, even with supply of TOW missiles and materiel to the moderately Islamic funda-mentalist fighters. I refuse to believe that, as it would imply a bias in the media coverage and that is just not possible, as the mass media would never bias reports so blatantly.
The war with Eurasia, Oceania, Eastasia must go on...
This story from leftfootforward must be wrong, according to Quantum's impeccable sources.
Zod said:
This story from leftfootforward must be wrong, according to Quantum's impeccable sources.
You are kidding ? You denigrate my source, but provide a link to a minor meeting in the UK, chaired by the worryingly rotund "white people love to divide and conquer" non racist Diane Abottamus, and she would not let Syrians speak. Where was Mr Corbyn to provide sagely advice? A Tunbridge wells bridge club meeting has more relevance.The panel contained such world renowned Syrian experts as Caroline Lucas ! I wonder if she is worried about the ISIS C02 footprint or are they recycling the Sarin gas containers. Was the single and only "expert" from the "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights" there or did he have to take out the bins on that day ?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 16:53
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Zod said:
This story from leftfootforward must be wrong, according to Quantum's impeccable sources.
You are kidding ? You denigrate my source, but provide a link to a minor meeting in the UK, chaired by the worryingly rotund "white people love to divide and conquer" non racist Diane Abottamus, and she would not let Syrians speak. Where was Mr Corbyn to provide sagely advice?The panel contained such world renowned Syrian experts as Caroline Lucas ! I wonder if she is worried about ISIS C02 footprint or are they recycling the Sarin gas containers. Was the single and only expert from the "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights" there ?
Very selective there. Unsurprising, given your post was from a 911 truther site. It has a gold mine of other great articles on t, like this one:loon site said:
“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator,” said Adolf Hitler.
“God told me to strike at Al Qa’ida and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did. With the might of God on our side we will triumph,” said George Bush. Or was that Hitler talking to Bush?
Hitler’s ghost haunts the United States of America.
“God told me to strike at Al Qa’ida and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did. With the might of God on our side we will triumph,” said George Bush. Or was that Hitler talking to Bush?
Hitler’s ghost haunts the United States of America.
Zod said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Zod said:
This story from leftfootforward must be wrong, according to Quantum's impeccable sources.
You are kidding ? You denigrate my source, but provide a link to a minor meeting in the UK, chaired by the worryingly rotund "white people love to divide and conquer" non racist Diane Abottamus, and she would not let Syrians speak. Where was Mr Corbyn to provide sagely advice?The panel contained such world renowned Syrian experts as Caroline Lucas ! I wonder if she is worried about ISIS C02 footprint or are they recycling the Sarin gas containers. Was the single and only expert from the "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights" there ?
Very selective there. Unsurprising, given your post was from a 911 truther site. It has a gold mine of other great articles on t, like this one:loon site said:
“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator,” said Adolf Hitler.
“God told me to strike at Al Qa’ida and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did. With the might of God on our side we will triumph,” said George Bush. Or was that Hitler talking to Bush?
Hitler’s ghost haunts the United States of America.
“God told me to strike at Al Qa’ida and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did. With the might of God on our side we will triumph,” said George Bush. Or was that Hitler talking to Bush?
Hitler’s ghost haunts the United States of America.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 17:04
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Zod said:
This story from leftfootforward must be wrong, according to Quantum's impeccable sources.
You are kidding ? You denigrate my source, but provide a link to a minor meeting in the UK, chaired by the worryingly rotund "white people love to divide and conquer" non racist Diane Abottamus, and she would not let Syrians speak. Where was Mr Corbyn to provide sagely advice?The panel contained such world renowned Syrian experts as Caroline Lucas ! I wonder if she is worried about ISIS C02 footprint or are they recycling the Sarin gas containers. Was the single and only "expert" from the "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights" there or did he have to take out the bins on that day ?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 16:49
IroningMan said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Zod said:
This story from leftfootforward must be wrong, according to Quantum's impeccable sources.
You are kidding ? You denigrate my source, but provide a link to a minor meeting in the UK, chaired by the worryingly rotund "white people love to divide and conquer" non racist Diane Abottamus, and she would not let Syrians speak. Where was Mr Corbyn to provide sagely advice?The panel contained such world renowned Syrian experts as Caroline Lucas ! I wonder if she is worried about ISIS C02 footprint or are they recycling the Sarin gas containers. Was the single and only "expert" from the "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights" there or did he have to take out the bins on that day ?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 16:49
QuantumTokoloshi said:
And ? Shall I start digging up little nuggets of inanity from the daily telegraph, Guardian, Independent, WSJ or your preferred reading the socialist workers party newsletter. Deal with the substance of the article and the attribution to it and try and do better than the Diane Abott moron show as evidence of some atrocity in Syria. The only true atrocity here is being subject to the wisdom and mendacity of Diane Abottamus.
Find whatever you like on one of broadsheet websites. I challenge you to find anything remotely comparable.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 17:04
Zod said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
And ? Shall I start digging up little nuggets of inanity from the daily telegraph, Guardian, Independent, WSJ or your preferred reading the socialist workers party newsletter. Deal with the substance of the article and the attribution to it and try and do better than the Diane Abott moron show as evidence of some atrocity in Syria. The only true atrocity here is being subject to the wisdom and mendacity of Diane Abottamus.
Find whatever you like on one of broadsheet websites. I challenge you to find anything remotely comparable.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 17:04
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/114446...
Man with two penises writes book ! Gripping stuff, topical and socially relevant too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
There was a Nando's in 18th-century London where people went for banter! Yup, you did read that right !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northame...
Man uses raccoon to get around a breathalyser and is then attacked by it. Is that rodent obstruction of justice?
And that is just one paper, the so called serious journalists paper ! Let not even get started on the rest.
Global research has some odd content which I do not bother with, but it also has some relevant content to this thread, hence why I posted it. Should I stop reading the telegraph because of their felony racoon fetish ?
You have still not addressed the content or attribution of my article?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 19:49
Russia has sent missile systems to Syria: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-midea...
"fighter jets could be hijacked in countries neighboring Syria"
Complete with hijacked pilot?
Definition of a paranoid schizophrenic
Phil
"fighter jets could be hijacked in countries neighboring Syria"
Complete with hijacked pilot?
Definition of a paranoid schizophrenic
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Russia has sent missile systems to Syria: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-midea...
"fighter jets could be hijacked in countries neighboring Syria"
Complete with hijacked pilot?
Definition of a paranoid schizophrenic
Phil
Unlikely Yes, a convenient excuse to improve SAM coverage in Syria, probably."fighter jets could be hijacked in countries neighboring Syria"
Complete with hijacked pilot?
Definition of a paranoid schizophrenic
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Russia has sent missile systems to Syria: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-midea...
"fighter jets could be hijacked in countries neighboring Syria"
Complete with hijacked pilot?
Definition of a paranoid schizophrenic
Phil
Definition of any excuse to justify sticking SAM sites all over the shop to deter the west wanting to fly over Russian held areas."fighter jets could be hijacked in countries neighboring Syria"
Complete with hijacked pilot?
Definition of a paranoid schizophrenic
Phil
The missile systems were probably coming anyway, this is a perfect opportunity to announce their 'legitimate' deployment.
Cobnapint said:
Definition of any excuse to justify sticking SAM sites all over the shop to deter the west wanting to fly over Russian held areas.
The missile systems were probably coming anyway, this is a perfect opportunity to announce their 'legitimate' deployment.
I didn't know there were any Russian held areas.The missile systems were probably coming anyway, this is a perfect opportunity to announce their 'legitimate' deployment.
Like there's not Iranian or Hezbollah held areas. Regime held area's yes, and other than the southern part of Aleppo they are shrinking by the day even since the Russian AF has come on the scene.
However, I think you and Quantum are probably correct re SAM's.
What will happen if an ISIS exploding car or FSA TOW hits a SAM god only know because a SAM is not much good against either.
I think this is but one reason why with all the bombs the Russians & SAAF have dropped in the past month or so the regime has made little if any headway as far as reclaiming lost land is concerned.
Who was it said you cannot win a war from the air?
Morek was finally lost by the regime last night with 50+ SAA & Iranian soldiers killed.
I'm sure the airforce will wipe whats left of the town off the map by now.
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Cobnapint said:
Definition of any excuse to justify sticking SAM sites all over the shop to deter the west wanting to fly over Russian held areas.
The missile systems were probably coming anyway, this is a perfect opportunity to announce their 'legitimate' deployment.
I didn't know there were any Russian held areas.The missile systems were probably coming anyway, this is a perfect opportunity to announce their 'legitimate' deployment.
Like there's not Iranian or Hezbollah held areas. Regime held area's yes, and other than the southern part of Aleppo they are shrinking by the day even since the Russian AF has come on the scene.
However, I think you and Quantum are probably correct re SAM's.
What will happen if an ISIS exploding car or FSA TOW hits a SAM god only know because a SAM is not much good against either.
I think this is but one reason why with all the bombs the Russians & SAAF have dropped in the past month or so the regime has made little if any headway as far as reclaiming lost land is concerned.
Who was it said you cannot win a war from the air?
Morek was finally lost by the regime last night with 50+ SAA & Iranian soldiers killed.
I'm sure the airforce will wipe whats left of the town off the map by now.
Phil
A very bias view above on the Russian, Hezbollah and Syria army lack of success, as these articles show.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/uk-mideas...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34720597
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Zod said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
And ? Shall I start digging up little nuggets of inanity from the daily telegraph, Guardian, Independent, WSJ or your preferred reading the socialist workers party newsletter. Deal with the substance of the article and the attribution to it and try and do better than the Diane Abott moron show as evidence of some atrocity in Syria. The only true atrocity here is being subject to the wisdom and mendacity of Diane Abottamus.
Find whatever you like on one of broadsheet websites. I challenge you to find anything remotely comparable.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 17:04
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/114446...
Man with two penises writes book ! Gripping stuff, topical and socially relevant too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
There was a Nando's in 18th-century London where people went for banter! Yup, you did read that right !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northame...
Man uses raccoon to get around a breathalyser and is then attacked by it. Is that rodent obstruction of justice?
And that is just one paper, the so called serious journalists paper ! Let not even get started on the rest.
Global research has some odd content which I do not bother with, but it also has some relevant content to this thread, hence why I posted it. Should I stop reading the telegraph because of their felony racoon fetish ?
You have still not addressed the content or attribution of my article?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 19:49
Zod said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Zod said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
And ? Shall I start digging up little nuggets of inanity from the daily telegraph, Guardian, Independent, WSJ or your preferred reading the socialist workers party newsletter. Deal with the substance of the article and the attribution to it and try and do better than the Diane Abott moron show as evidence of some atrocity in Syria. The only true atrocity here is being subject to the wisdom and mendacity of Diane Abottamus.
Find whatever you like on one of broadsheet websites. I challenge you to find anything remotely comparable.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 17:04
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/114446...
Man with two penises writes book ! Gripping stuff, topical and socially relevant too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
There was a Nando's in 18th-century London where people went for banter! Yup, you did read that right !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northame...
Man uses raccoon to get around a breathalyser and is then attacked by it. Is that rodent obstruction of justice?
And that is just one paper, the so called serious journalists paper ! Let not even get started on the rest.
Global research has some odd content which I do not bother with, but it also has some relevant content to this thread, hence why I posted it. Should I stop reading the telegraph because of their felony racoon fetish ?
You have still not addressed the content or attribution of my article?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 4th November 19:49
You have still not addressed the content or attribution of my article? Is it Zod or troll? If you are not adding anything useful to this debate, then it is best to ignore you.
The supply of selected moderately Islamic fund-a-mentalist groups with MANPAD missiles, not just TOW missiles, ammunition, arms and training. What could possibly go wrong? 
The U.S. and its regional allies agreed to increase shipments of weapons and other supplies to help moderate Syrian rebels hold their ground and challenge the intervention of Russia and Iran on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, U.S. officials and their counterparts in the region said.
The deliveries from the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Arabia and other allied spy services deepen the fight between the forces battling in Syria, despite President Barack Obama’s public pledge to not let the conflict become a U.S.-Russia proxy war.
Saudi officials not only pushed for the White House to keep the arms pipeline open, but also warned the administration against backing away from a longstanding demand that Mr. Assad must leave office.
In the past month of intensifying Russian airstrikes, the CIA and its partners have increased the flow of military supplies to rebels in northern Syria, including of U.S.-made TOW antitank missiles, these officials said. Those supplies will continue to increase in coming weeks, replenishing stocks depleted by the regime’s expanded military offensive.
An Obama administration official said the military pressure is needed to push Mr. Assad from power.
“Assad is not going to feel any pressure to make concessions if there is no viable opposition that has the capacity, through the support of its partners, to put pressure on his regime,” the official said.
In addition to the arms the U.S. has agreed to provide, Saudi and Turkish officials have renewed talks with their American counterparts about allowing limited supplies of shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, to select rebels. Those weapons could help target regime aircraft, in particular those responsible for dropping barrel bombs, and could also help keep Russian air power at bay, the officials said.
Mr. Obama has long rebuffed such proposals, citing the risk to civilian aircraft and fears they could end up in the hands of terrorists. To reduce those dangers, U.S. allies have proposed retrofitting the equipment to add so-called kill switches and specialized software that would prevent the operator from using the weapon outside a designated area, said officials in the region briefed on the option.
U.S. intelligence agencies are concerned that a few older Manpads may already have been smuggled into Syria through supply channels the CIA doesn’t control.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-allies-to-boost-ai...
It’s apparently not enough that the US is supplying anti-tank missiles to rebels shooting at the very same Iran-backed militias that the US implicitly supports across the border in Iraq now, the CIA and Saudi Arabia will give these rebels the firepower to shoot down planes, meaning that in the “best” case scenario they’ll be firing at Russian fighter jets, and in the worst case scenario these weapons will end up in the “wrong moderately Islamic fund-a-mental” hands and be used to down commercial flights.
Putting this all together, it now appears possible that the US is;
i) Sending anti-tank weapons to rebels who are shooting at Iranian soldiers.
ii) Embedding ground troops near Latakia which means they'll almost certainly be engaging Hezbollah directly.
iii) Passing weapons capable of downing a commercial airliner to "select" militants, days after a Russian passenger jet exploded in the skies above the Sinai Peninsula.
This is all in conjunction with the Saudis and Erodgan, who just rigged an election in Turkey on the way to rewriting his country's constitution.
You cannot accuse it of being simple, just the politicians perhaps.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-05/cia-saudi...
The U.S. and its regional allies agreed to increase shipments of weapons and other supplies to help moderate Syrian rebels hold their ground and challenge the intervention of Russia and Iran on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, U.S. officials and their counterparts in the region said.
The deliveries from the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Arabia and other allied spy services deepen the fight between the forces battling in Syria, despite President Barack Obama’s public pledge to not let the conflict become a U.S.-Russia proxy war.
Saudi officials not only pushed for the White House to keep the arms pipeline open, but also warned the administration against backing away from a longstanding demand that Mr. Assad must leave office.
In the past month of intensifying Russian airstrikes, the CIA and its partners have increased the flow of military supplies to rebels in northern Syria, including of U.S.-made TOW antitank missiles, these officials said. Those supplies will continue to increase in coming weeks, replenishing stocks depleted by the regime’s expanded military offensive.
An Obama administration official said the military pressure is needed to push Mr. Assad from power.
“Assad is not going to feel any pressure to make concessions if there is no viable opposition that has the capacity, through the support of its partners, to put pressure on his regime,” the official said.
In addition to the arms the U.S. has agreed to provide, Saudi and Turkish officials have renewed talks with their American counterparts about allowing limited supplies of shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, to select rebels. Those weapons could help target regime aircraft, in particular those responsible for dropping barrel bombs, and could also help keep Russian air power at bay, the officials said.
Mr. Obama has long rebuffed such proposals, citing the risk to civilian aircraft and fears they could end up in the hands of terrorists. To reduce those dangers, U.S. allies have proposed retrofitting the equipment to add so-called kill switches and specialized software that would prevent the operator from using the weapon outside a designated area, said officials in the region briefed on the option.
U.S. intelligence agencies are concerned that a few older Manpads may already have been smuggled into Syria through supply channels the CIA doesn’t control.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-allies-to-boost-ai...
It’s apparently not enough that the US is supplying anti-tank missiles to rebels shooting at the very same Iran-backed militias that the US implicitly supports across the border in Iraq now, the CIA and Saudi Arabia will give these rebels the firepower to shoot down planes, meaning that in the “best” case scenario they’ll be firing at Russian fighter jets, and in the worst case scenario these weapons will end up in the “wrong moderately Islamic fund-a-mental” hands and be used to down commercial flights.
Putting this all together, it now appears possible that the US is;
i) Sending anti-tank weapons to rebels who are shooting at Iranian soldiers.
ii) Embedding ground troops near Latakia which means they'll almost certainly be engaging Hezbollah directly.
iii) Passing weapons capable of downing a commercial airliner to "select" militants, days after a Russian passenger jet exploded in the skies above the Sinai Peninsula.
This is all in conjunction with the Saudis and Erodgan, who just rigged an election in Turkey on the way to rewriting his country's constitution.
You cannot accuse it of being simple, just the politicians perhaps.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-05/cia-saudi...
Turning that on it's head.
This could and did go wrong.
Second huge "friendly fire" casualties today in Reef #Idlib. #Russia/n AF hit a hill that was part of the bank of objectives the day before.
16 Hezbollah killed on top of a hill that was under rebels control the day before. Lack of coordination. s
t happen.
Now who was it that said there could be a problem here in the coordination department what with Farsi, Arabic, Russian + some Urdi (Pakistan Shia) and Pashtun (Afghan Shia) all talking at once.
Oh yes, it was I.
Phil
Quantum, Re Manpads, even the SAA heli's have leant to fly above the height capabilities of these instruments of destruction. Only opportunity is on take-off, landing or parked up. They're really not cut out for the job unless the pilot's gone AWOL with too much Smirnoff.
http://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-op...
This could and did go wrong.
Second huge "friendly fire" casualties today in Reef #Idlib. #Russia/n AF hit a hill that was part of the bank of objectives the day before.
16 Hezbollah killed on top of a hill that was under rebels control the day before. Lack of coordination. s
t happen.Now who was it that said there could be a problem here in the coordination department what with Farsi, Arabic, Russian + some Urdi (Pakistan Shia) and Pashtun (Afghan Shia) all talking at once.
Oh yes, it was I.
Phil
Quantum, Re Manpads, even the SAA heli's have leant to fly above the height capabilities of these instruments of destruction. Only opportunity is on take-off, landing or parked up. They're really not cut out for the job unless the pilot's gone AWOL with too much Smirnoff.
http://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-op...
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 5th November 17:48
Edited by Transmitter Man on Thursday 5th November 17:54
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