Meanwhile, In Syria

[Driller]

Transmitter Man said:

Driller said:

Propaganda and poppycock!

Do you think the rockets, or projectiles or bullets uses by the rebel groups somehow select their target by themselves?

War is terrible and a disgrace and hundreds of thousands have dies since the start of this meaningless conflict.

Driller,

I think you need to go back to the events of March 2011 to Deraa, Syria to remember how this conflict started.

War is of course terrible but as in the case of similar atrocities carried out by governments on their own people one has to step in to 'try' and stop it, if not by diplomatic pressure and mediation, then by force. The fact this particular conflict has turned into a proxy war makes it all the more difficult to sort out. Corbyn theory will, I'm afraid in the case of Syria have zero positive effect.

Phil

Oh don't make me laugh! You think this is about protecting the poor people from "atrocities"?

Where were the Americans in Darfour or Srebeanitza (sp) and every other st hole on the planet where life is cheap and life is hell? Oh that's right there's no military and logistical strategic advantage with these countries and no useful resources that can be easily tapped.

This is all about regime change for financial and power gain but making it look like its humanitarian so the plebs will eat it right up "barrel bombs" and all.

[Driller]

Transmitter Man said:

Driller said:

Propaganda and poppycock!

Do you think the rockets, or projectiles or bullets uses by the rebel groups somehow select their target by themselves?

War is terrible and a disgrace and hundreds of thousands have dies since the start of this meaningless conflict.

Driller,

I think you need to go back to the events of March 2011 to Deraa, Syria to remember how this conflict started.

War is of course terrible but as in the case of similar atrocities carried out by governments on their own people one has to step in to 'try' and stop it, if not by diplomatic pressure and mediation, then by force. The fact this particular conflict has turned into a proxy war makes it all the more difficult to sort out. Corbyn theory will, I'm afraid in the case of Syria have zero positive effect.

Phil

Oh don't make me laugh! You think this is about protecting the poor people from "atrocities"?

Where were the Americans in Darfour or Srebeanitza (sp) and every other st hole on the planet where life is cheap and life is hell? Oh that's right there's no military and logistical strategic advantage with these countries and no useful resources that can be easily tapped.

This is all about regime change for financial and power gain but making it look like its humanitarian so the plebs will eat it right up "barrel bombs" and all.

Edited by Driller on Thursday 3rd December 14:35

[Cobnapint]

Halb said:

Foppo said:

True about the BBC Excitement we are going to war bombing aren't we all happy.And now the weather forecast could be raining tomorrow blah blah blah.

And everybody is S/Scared where the next home made bomb is going to explode in some shopping center or picture house or pop venue.We all love war don't we boys with their toys never mind the casualties.

Indeed. It's all rather depressing.

I just wish they'd stop planting correspondents outside the bloody main access gates of the RAF bases being used for these attacks and broadcasting it around the world. There is no need for it

We don't want or need to know, but more importantly - IS fking DO....!

[Transmitter Man]

Driller said:

Oh don't make me laugh! You think this is about protecting the poor people from "atrocities"?

Where were the Americans in Darfour or Srebeanitza (sp) and every other st hole on the planet where life is cheap and life is hell? Oh that's right there's no military and logistical strategic advantage with these countries and no useful resources that can be easily tapped.

This is all about regime change for financial and power gain but making it look like its humanitarian so the plebs will eat it right up "barrel bombs" and all.

So what would it take for Syria to require humanitarian help?

BTW, the US is self-sufficient in oil so no need to bring that subject up.

Phil

[johnxjsc1985]

Cobnapint said:

I just wish they'd stop planting correspondents outside the bloody main access gates of the RAF bases being used for these attacks and broadcasting it around the world. There is no need for it

We don't want or need to know, but more importantly - IS fking DO....!

It does make your head wobble . Surely telling the world how many planes are bombing and where they are bombing is just wrong. Let them do their work and let them report when their is something to report.

[scherzkeks]

Transmitter Man said:

BTW, the US is self-sufficient in oil so no need to bring that subject up.

Phil

He's here all night folks.

[Godalmighty83]

It's amazing/curious/terrifying that all this started from Faida Hamdi not getting her morning bribe from a fruit vendor.

And here is where we end up.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Godalmighty83 said:

It's amazing/curious/terrifying that all this started from Faida Hamdi not getting her morning bribe from a fruit vendor.

And here is where we end up.

If only it was that simple, but does makes a good headline.

[Driller]

Transmitter Man said:

Driller said:

Oh don't make me laugh! You think this is about protecting the poor people from "atrocities"?

Where were the Americans in Darfour or Srebeanitza (sp) and every other st hole on the planet where life is cheap and life is hell? Oh that's right there's no military and logistical strategic advantage with these countries and no useful resources that can be easily tapped.

This is all about regime change for financial and power gain but making it look like its humanitarian so the plebs will eat it right up "barrel bombs" and all.

So what would it take for Syria to require humanitarian help?

Huh, you tell me! At any rate, you can bet your ass that humanitarianism is nowhere near the top of their list of priorities.

Transmitter Man said:

BTW, the US is self-sufficient in oil so no need to bring that subject up.

Phil

How much is enough oil? "Just a little bit more!"

[Transmitter Man]

You'll note they did not let the BBC reporter onto the base but let him do his piece at the gate:-)

Weather's not that wonderful here though probably milder than in the UK: http://www.accuweather.com/en/cy/limassol/124034/w...

Phil

[ShaunTheSheep]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Cobnapint said:

I just wish they'd stop planting correspondents outside the bloody main access gates of the RAF bases being used for these attacks and broadcasting it around the world. There is no need for it

We don't want or need to know, but more importantly - IS fking DO....!

It does make your head wobble . Surely telling the world how many planes are bombing and where they are bombing is just wrong. Let them do their work and let them report when their is something to report.

What is the exact risk, or what would the advantage be to someone like IS over just having spotters on high buildings inside the target area?

[superkartracer]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-releases-proof-turkey-is-smuggling-isis-oil-over-its-border-a6757651.html

[anonymous-user]

superkartracer said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-releases-proof-turkey-is-smuggling-isis-oil-over-its-border-a6757651.html

Oil is sold to tanker drivers at the refinery, who in turn sell it on to middlemen who sell it to Assad or other refineries in Syria for Syrians to use. We even see the tankers lined up in some of the coalition airstrike videos. IS are also supplying gas to Assad to keep all his cities powered by electricity with him paying for all the infrastructure to keep the gas flowing.

IS although described as a terrorist organisation, are more like a government. They make just as money from taxes from the locals in its territories, this might range from bribes and land rents to tax and extortion money from kidnapping and trafficking. They are also making millions from heroin smuggling and selling of antiquities and raiding bank reserves. They also get donations from all over the world.

They have considerable outgoings with fighters reportedly paid around £250 a week. They have to provide services to all the inhabitants of it's territories. Apparently they have reserves of up to a year if all revenue streams were to stop immediately.

[Cobnapint]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The Yanks, Britain and every fker else have probably known the answer to that one for ages, but would rather keep it quiet so as not to implicate/embarrass some of their so called allies.

[superkartracer]

el stovey said:

superkartracer said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-releases-proof-turkey-is-smuggling-isis-oil-over-its-border-a6757651.html

Oil is sold to tanker drivers at the refinery, who in turn sell it on to middlemen who sell it to Assad or other refineries in Syria for Syrians to use. We even see the tankers lined up in some of the coalition airstrike videos. IS are also supplying gas to Assad to keep all his cities powered by electricity with him paying for all the infrastructure to keep the gas flowing.

IS although described as a terrorist organisation, are more like a government. They make just as money from taxes from the locals in its territories, this might range from bribes and land rents to tax and extortion money from kidnapping and trafficking. They are also making millions from heroin smuggling and selling of antiquities and raiding bank reserves. They also get donations from all over the world.

They have considerable outgoings with fighters reportedly paid around £250 a week. They have to provide services to all the inhabitants of it's territories. Apparently they have reserves of up to a year if all revenue streams were to stop immediately.

Yeah thats about right ( from the media we are fed ) , the issue tho is Russia will now target Turkey as they seem to be laying the foundations for that action .

It's a mess .

Edited by superkartracer on Friday 4th December 10:48

[Puggit]

German parliament approves military support in Syria

[Cobnapint]

The Luftwaffe flies again ! - only on reconnaissance missions though.

[The Don of Croy]

Just been listening to R4 interviewing NATO bod (SecGen?) following the German decision.

At one point in the interview Mr. Nato stated that 'boots on the ground in Syria' was not even on the agenda...

He did also concede that it's not a NATO exercise, either, but even so...if he's right and no boot/ground interface is envisioned then WTF are we air-striking for, when even Hilary Benn will tell you it will achieve very little.

On the same prog we learned about the latest Daesh recruitment video - showing young boys (10 yo?) searching for Syrians in an abandoned fort, later being given handguns to kill the 'spies' with one Syrian being slit around the throat. The message being 'see the next generation being trained today...' The nightmare continues...

[Stickyfinger]

Cobnapint said:

The Luftwaffe flies again ! - only on reconnaissance missions though.

the same as before, Luftwaffe flies in support of the Free French

[Trevatanus]

el stovey said:

They have considerable outgoings with fighters reportedly paid around £250 a week. They have to provide services to all the inhabitants of it's territories. Apparently they have reserves of up to a year if all revenue streams were to stop immediately.

So presumably all this cash is in a bank somewhere and not under a big mattress? Can it not be traced / confiscated?