Meanwhile, In Syria

[QuantumTokoloshi]

scherzkeks said:

Zod said:

Isn't it surprising that the non-IS, non-fighty opposition to the Syrian government doesn't have a well funded news operation like that of the government? Shame on them!

The EU subsidies and the contributions he receives from a donor country he refuses to name suffice, I am sure. That aside, my issue is more that the name conveys some sort of authority. In true Orwellian style, like all of the Empire's propaganda.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, takes on a whole new meaning in the 21st century.

[EskimoArapaho]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, takes on a whole new meaning in the 21st century.

Well, in an irony overload, there are now two versions of Pravda.

[Cobnapint]

Red October arrives in the Med with some xmas pressies for ISIS? The FSA?......or Turkey.

http://news.sky.com/story/1601956/russian-sub-with...

[QuantumTokoloshi]

EskimoArapaho said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, takes on a whole new meaning in the 21st century.

Well, in an irony overload, there are now two versions of Pravda.

Please continue to enjoy your diet of Cameron / Blair / Obama / Bush / Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud / Zbigniew Brzezinski Neo-con sponsored advertising. Would you like freedom bombs with that?

I have no particular love for Putin, Hu Jintao, Robert Mugabe or Assad, but at least they are honest about what and who they are.

[Stickyfinger]

Cobnapint said:

Red October arrives in the Med with some xmas pressies for ISIS? The FSA?......or Turkey.

http://news.sky.com/story/1601956/russian-sub-with...

Will it sink itself ?

[EskimoArapaho]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have no particular love for Putin, Hu Jintao, Robert Mugabe or Assad, but at least they are honest about what and who they are.

Sources please.

[Zod]

EskimoArapaho said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have no particular love for Putin, Hu Jintao, Robert Mugabe or Assad, but at least they are honest about what and who they are.

Sources please.

I've never heard or read anything by any of them that was honest about what and who they are.

[loose cannon]

No mention of sigmar Gabriel's outburst about Saudi Arabia on here ?
http://www.trust.org/item/20151206135414-4p6p2

[Driller]

BlackLabel said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/u...

This is EXACTLY what I said would happen. They were so frustrated about not being able to bomb Assad that they had to invent a bogeyman to give them the excuse to go in and bomb Assad.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Zod said:

EskimoArapaho said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have no particular love for Putin, Hu Jintao, Robert Mugabe or Assad, but at least they are honest about what and who they are.

Sources please.

I've never heard or read anything by any of them that was honest about what and who they are.

Perhaps you need to expand your reading material then.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

EskimoArapaho said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have no particular love for Putin, Hu Jintao, Robert Mugabe or Assad, but at least they are honest about what and who they are.

Sources please.

Well I cannot provide peer reviewed sources that confirm my lack of love for Mugabe, Hu Jintao etc. I guess you will have to take my word for it.

[EskimoArapaho]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

EskimoArapaho said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have no particular love for Putin, Hu Jintao, Robert Mugabe or Assad, but at least they are honest about what and who they are.

Sources please.

Well I cannot provide peer reviewed sources that confirm my lack of love for Mugabe, Hu Jintao etc. I guess you will have to take my word for it.

(sigh) I want to see sources where those scumbags are honest about what and who they are.

[Zod]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Zod said:

EskimoArapaho said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have no particular love for Putin, Hu Jintao, Robert Mugabe or Assad, but at least they are honest about what and who they are.

Sources please.

I've never heard or read anything by any of them that was honest about what and who they are.

Perhaps you need to expand your reading material then.

Weak, very weak. You know there is nothing that justifies your claim.

[scherzkeks]

Driller said:

This is EXACTLY what I said would happen. They were so frustrated about not being able to bomb Assad that they had to invent a bogeyman to give them the excuse to go in and bomb Assad.

Well of course. I also strongly suspect they had a hand in Turkey shooting down the Russian jet. Regardless, they are finished in the region unless they want to directly provoke all-out war with the Russians (rather then via a proxy). Iraq recently announced they will hunt down and kill any incoming US spec. ops in country.

[The Don of Croy]

I read in the paper that Iraq has complained about Turkish tanks crossing their border and taking up position. The Turks reply saying they are just protecting some forward Syrian militia position. Not bullying the local Kurds.

Into which we rush to drop some ordnance (more generally, but you get the picture).

I'm trying to think if there's been anywhere else with a similar clusterf**k scenario in recent years - with so many sovereign states falling over each other to use up their bullet allowances?

[superkartracer]

Stickyfinger said:

Cobnapint said:

Red October arrives in the Med with some xmas pressies for ISIS? The FSA?......or Turkey.

http://news.sky.com/story/1601956/russian-sub-with...

Will it sink itself ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-has-threatened-to-use-nuclear-weapons-against-isis-but-hopes-they-will-never-be-needed-a6766196.html

Putin raises possibility of using nuclear weapons.

Great!

[Stickyfinger]

superkartracer said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/put...

Putin raises possibility of using nuclear weapons.

Great!

Dig a hole and live in it .....if you believe that

[TheJimi]

superkartracer said:

Stickyfinger said:

Cobnapint said:

Red October arrives in the Med with some xmas pressies for ISIS? The FSA?......or Turkey.

http://news.sky.com/story/1601956/russian-sub-with...

Will it sink itself ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-has-threatened-to-use-nuclear-weapons-against-isis-but-hopes-they-will-never-be-needed-a6766196.html

Putin raises possibility of using nuclear weapons.

Great!

Read the article again, really slowly this time, letting the words permeate the fog of your Daily Mail-esque hysteria.

He raises absolutely nothing of the sort, certainly from reading that article anyway.

[AreOut]

Stickyfinger said:

Dig a hole and live in it .....if you believe that

I didn't believe turkey would shoot down russian plane in syrian airspace but it happened.

[Stickyfinger]

AreOut said:

I didn't believe turkey would shoot down russian plane in syrian airspace but it happened.

I don't think the odds on it happening match however do they ?