Meanwhile, In Syria
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superkartracer said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/put...
Putin raises possibility of using nuclear weapons.
Great!
Even if it were true I wouldn't worry,Putin raises possibility of using nuclear weapons.
Great!
Russia cannot build a Lego house without problems: https://youtu.be/V88sUJKgOsk
Phil
TheJimi said:
superkartracer said:
Stickyfinger said:
Cobnapint said:
Red October arrives in the Med with some xmas pressies for ISIS? The FSA?......or Turkey.
http://news.sky.com/story/1601956/russian-sub-with...
Will it sink itself ?http://news.sky.com/story/1601956/russian-sub-with...
Putin raises possibility of using nuclear weapons.
Great!
He raises absolutely nothing of the sort, certainly from reading that article anyway.
Yeah but he does have a huge submarine full of nuclear weapons parked off the coast firing missiles into Syria , and he did say i hope we don't need to switch warheads , so it's not really made-up wail and hardly hysteria is it . ( unlike the wail link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353095/Pu... )
superkartracer said:
Vladimir Putin has said he hopes nuclear warheads will not be needed to deal with terrorists or anyone else, after Russia launched cruise missiles from its submarine at Syria.
Yeah but he does have a huge submarine full of nuclear weapons parked off the coast firing missiles into Syria , and he did say i hope we don't need to switch warheads , so it's not really made-up wail and hardly hysteria is it . ( unlike the wail link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353095/Pu... )
Yes it is hysteria. Just like the "news" that he wanted to take back eastern Germany. Engage brain, back away from the Daily Mail. FFSYeah but he does have a huge submarine full of nuclear weapons parked off the coast firing missiles into Syria , and he did say i hope we don't need to switch warheads , so it's not really made-up wail and hardly hysteria is it . ( unlike the wail link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353095/Pu... )
scherzkeks said:
superkartracer said:
Vladimir Putin has said he hopes nuclear warheads will not be needed to deal with terrorists or anyone else, after Russia launched cruise missiles from its submarine at Syria.
Yeah but he does have a huge submarine full of nuclear weapons parked off the coast firing missiles into Syria , and he did say i hope we don't need to switch warheads , so it's not really made-up wail and hardly hysteria is it . ( unlike the wail link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353095/Pu... )
Yes it is hysteria. Just like the "news" that he wanted to take back eastern Germany. Engage brain, back away from the Daily Mail. FFSYeah but he does have a huge submarine full of nuclear weapons parked off the coast firing missiles into Syria , and he did say i hope we don't need to switch warheads , so it's not really made-up wail and hardly hysteria is it . ( unlike the wail link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353095/Pu... )
// ( unlike the wail link ^^ )Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 10th December 16:07
superkartracer said:
OP/link from the independent , the wail version is indeed hysteria hence i linked it // ( unlike the wail link ^^ )
The actual article from the Independent was fairly balanced, but the headline not so much. So not so much hysteria, but still actively planting seeds. The machine never sleeps. // ( unlike the wail link ^^ )Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 10th December 16:07
scherzkeks said:
superkartracer said:
OP/link from the independent , the wail version is indeed hysteria hence i linked it // ( unlike the wail link ^^ )
The actual article from the Independent was fairly balanced, but the headline not so much. So not so much hysteria, but still actively planting seeds. The machine never sleeps. // ( unlike the wail link ^^ )Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 10th December 16:07
On a side note , he sends a few small nukes ( because this ISIS beating is becoming rather expensive ) into some ISIS s
thole in Syria with Asshats approval , what exactly will anyone do about it ? .V8A*ndy said:
well someone shot down a plane didn't they............ and what did Russia do about it? Feck all TBF....
Russia has to look all superior in some way. "let's talk about nukes".
Interesting there has just today been a big PR push on the US and their 60 year old B52s and all the nice nukes they can carry.
Andy,Russia has to look all superior in some way. "let's talk about nukes".
Interesting there has just today been a big PR push on the US and their 60 year old B52s and all the nice nukes they can carry.
A Lockheed Martin F-35 is no B52.
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
V8A*ndy said:
well someone shot down a plane didn't they............ and what did Russia do about it? Feck all TBF....
Russia has to look all superior in some way. "let's talk about nukes".
Interesting there has just today been a big PR push on the US and their 60 year old B52s and all the nice nukes they can carry.
Andy,Russia has to look all superior in some way. "let's talk about nukes".
Interesting there has just today been a big PR push on the US and their 60 year old B52s and all the nice nukes they can carry.
A Lockheed Martin F-35 is no B52.
Phil
"BUFF"
superkartracer said:
Agreed , but it's interesting how Putin is slowly but surely building those forces around Syria , it's playing out rather well .
On a side note , he sends a few small nukes ( because this ISIS beating is becoming rather expensive ) into some ISIS sthole in Syria with Asshats approval , what exactly will anyone do about it ? .
I don't see the issue personally. What should anyone else "do" about it? Assad was elected and is in charge in Syria. Regardless of what anyone thinks about him, the US and Britain have no moral basis or legal authority to do anything about it. On a side note , he sends a few small nukes ( because this ISIS beating is becoming rather expensive ) into some ISIS s
thole in Syria with Asshats approval , what exactly will anyone do about it ? .He's invited the Russians in to elminate ISIS and other fundamentalists that would destroy him. I don't think Russia would use nuclear weapons, but I would remind you that the Americans used them in the Afghan. and Iraq wars (which were also illegal wars), so really it is much ado about nothing. Or, rather, propaganda. American meddling in the ME is what's pushed things to this level.
Edited by scherzkeks on Friday 11th December 10:03
scherzkeks said:
I don't see the issue personally. What should anyone else "do" about it? Assad was elected and is in charge in Syria. Regardless of what anyone thinks about him, the US and Britain have no moral basis or legal authority to do anything about it.
He's invited the Russians in to elminate ISIS and other fundamentalists that would destroy him. I don't think Russia would use nuclear weapons, but I would remind you that the Americans used them in the Afghan. and Iraq wars (which were also illeagal wars), so really it is much ado about nothing. Or, rather, propaganda. American meddling in the ME is what's pushed things to this level.
Depleted uranium shells are not nuclear weapons.He's invited the Russians in to elminate ISIS and other fundamentalists that would destroy him. I don't think Russia would use nuclear weapons, but I would remind you that the Americans used them in the Afghan. and Iraq wars (which were also illeagal wars), so really it is much ado about nothing. Or, rather, propaganda. American meddling in the ME is what's pushed things to this level.
Edited by scherzkeks on Friday 11th December 09:45
aeropilot said:
One so-called 'expert' saying the US used B-61's does not make it a definite fact they were used......
True, though there was evidence, specifically at Tora Bora. The depleted uranium munitions they used in abundance are also not conventional weapons, are radioactive, and should be outlawed by the Geneva Conventions. http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/appeal.htm
scherzkeks said:
True, though there was evidence, specifically at Tora Bora. The depleted uranium munitions they used in abundance are also not conventional weapons, are radioactive, and should be outlawed by the Geneva Conventions.
http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/appeal.htm
The Russian and the Americans will never agree with that as they don't like HESH !http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/appeal.htm
Someone has hold of Gaddafi's son Hannibal, in Lebanon.
Plenty of people will pay a very high ransom for him, none of them his friends!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35074083
In case you have lost count of Gaddafi's progeny, this is the one who poured boiling water over his maid.
Phil
Plenty of people will pay a very high ransom for him, none of them his friends!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35074083
In case you have lost count of Gaddafi's progeny, this is the one who poured boiling water over his maid.
Phil
creationracing said:
superkartracer said:
On a side note , he sends a few small nukes ( because this ISIS beating is becoming rather expensive ) into some ISIS sthole in Syria with Asshats approval , what exactly will anyone do about it ?
Funny, during a highly intellectual chat with a few mates over beers this topic came up. thole in Syria with Asshats approval , what exactly will anyone do about it ?Our summary was along these lines. Islamic terrorism only exists because the advanced (if you can call them that) nations allow it. Because it's not yet a true existential struggle. However, should be let it get to the point that it does? ISIS (or whatever guise the head-choppers take) need a get-back-in-your-box message, as opposed to weakening them through losing their fighters/ground in another war. The complete annihilation of Raqqa with the accompanying message that "we're leaving Mecca, Medina, and all your big-hitter holy sites for now, but wind your necks in or else" would achieve that. Who would fight for a caliphate with a smouldering hole as its capital?
Anyway, like I said it was over beers. Possibly needs to be done, but almost certainly shouldn't.
And yes, I have read Wild Fire by Nelson DeMille in which a similar scenario is the core plot.
1) "they" have less to lose
2) They 'seem' to have more conviction for their cause
Some of you may not know how the Syrian conflict started.
Here's the story from one of the high school kids in Deraa, Syria interviewed by CBS TV in Amman, Jordan a year after the events that formed the beginning of the uprising in the country.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-syrian-teen-who-he...
Phil
Here's the story from one of the high school kids in Deraa, Syria interviewed by CBS TV in Amman, Jordan a year after the events that formed the beginning of the uprising in the country.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-syrian-teen-who-he...
Phil
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