Meanwhile, In Syria

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Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

224 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Keeping a lid on SA is easy as the US supply their military but how would you keep a lid on Iran who I believe manufacture many of their own weapons and feeding their proxies such as Hezbollah in Lebanon?

Phil

AJS-

15,366 posts

236 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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I don't know what all these things are but Saudi seems to have a heck of a lot of kit for its size/population.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-compariso...

Iran has manpower.

I suspect that the nation state is the wrong prism to view it through though. It would be an all out war between a bewildering array of factions.

In a way SA and Iran, two of the most evil regimes on the planet, destroying each other would be a good thing.

Quite what the west or Russia hope to gain by being involved in this is beyond me.


Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

192 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Madman Erdogan has told the US to choose between the Kurds or Turkey. The man is the definition of looney tunes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-355410...

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

217 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Elroy Blue said:
Madman Erdogan has told the US to choose between the Kurds or Turkey. The man is the definition of looney tunes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-355410...
This man is the real danger in the region, very unpredictable, with Neo-Ottoman empire delusions, an undercurrent of religious fervour, weapons grade corruption, dictatorial, happy to openly blackmail the EU and relying on NATO to back him, when he oversteps the mark.

Erdogan in NATO, is being tied to a rabid caffeine overdosed Jack Russell in a lions pen. You know something bad is going to happen to him and you.


Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 10th February 14:37

Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

192 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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This isn't Syria, it's Turkey. This is what the Turkish President does to people who don't bow down to him. No UN debates about this. This man poses a very serious danger and the West do nothing.






Liokault

2,837 posts

214 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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Elroy Blue said:
This man poses a very serious danger and the West do nothing.
Suggestions?

Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

192 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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Liokault said:
Suggestions?
Stop pretending it's not happening for a start.

AJS-

15,366 posts

236 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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Elroy Blue said:
Stop pretending it's not happening for a start.
This is the crux of the matter for me. Our whole approach is hope over reason.

XM5ER

5,091 posts

248 months

Friday 12th February 2016
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A very interesting story here.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/aleppo-notebook...

"Again and again I was asked: why is Britain supporting the terrorists? Western media rightly emphasise Assad’s atrocities. But the Aleppans I spoke to regularly pointed out that under Assad’s regime women can walk alone down the street and pursue a career; that a broadly liberal curriculum is taught in the schools; that Christians can worship at their churches and Muslims in their mosques. These Aleppans have lived under siege from groups hellbent on the imposition of a mutant version of Wahhabi Islam. They know that many of their fighters are foreigners whose ambition, encouraged by Turkish and Saudi sponsors, is to extinguish Aleppo’s tolerant culture and drive every last Christian out of the city. "


andy_s

19,400 posts

259 months

Friday 12th February 2016
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XM5ER said:
A very interesting story here.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/aleppo-notebook...

"Again and again I was asked: why is Britain supporting the terrorists? Western media rightly emphasise Assad’s atrocities. But the Aleppans I spoke to regularly pointed out that under Assad’s regime women can walk alone down the street and pursue a career; that a broadly liberal curriculum is taught in the schools; that Christians can worship at their churches and Muslims in their mosques. These Aleppans have lived under siege from groups hellbent on the imposition of a mutant version of Wahhabi Islam. They know that many of their fighters are foreigners whose ambition, encouraged by Turkish and Saudi sponsors, is to extinguish Aleppo’s tolerant culture and drive every last Christian out of the city. "
You could have said much the same of Gaddafi and Libya. A poor situation made much worse.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

217 months

Friday 12th February 2016
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andy_s said:
XM5ER said:
A very interesting story here.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/aleppo-notebook...

"Again and again I was asked: why is Britain supporting the terrorists? Western media rightly emphasise Assad’s atrocities. But the Aleppans I spoke to regularly pointed out that under Assad’s regime women can walk alone down the street and pursue a career; that a broadly liberal curriculum is taught in the schools; that Christians can worship at their churches and Muslims in their mosques. These Aleppans have lived under siege from groups hellbent on the imposition of a mutant version of Wahhabi Islam. They know that many of their fighters are foreigners whose ambition, encouraged by Turkish and Saudi sponsors, is to extinguish Aleppo’s tolerant culture and drive every last Christian out of the city. "
You could have said much the same of Gaddafi and Libya. A poor situation made much worse.
No, No, No, Libya was a great success, they are now a vasal pseudo-democratic state, even less freedom than before, full blown civil war, destruction of the society, infrastructure demolished, violent religious fundamentalist running chunks of the country, no control of the oil revenues and as an added bonus, destabilisation of the entire region. A job well done, Call me Tony, would be proud!

A total and utter success for Cameron, AKA BLair-lite. He really has followed in his mentors footsteps.

del mar

2,838 posts

199 months

Friday 12th February 2016
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scherzkeks

4,460 posts

134 months

Friday 12th February 2016
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del mar said:
Neocon drivel.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

217 months

Friday 12th February 2016
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scherzkeks said:
del mar said:
Neocon drivel.
A view going back a little further. This is not the first intervention in Syria by America, shades of Iran.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/d11d...

Russian major General Syrian update. How the other side see things.

I do get the feeling that, if push, comes to shove, the Russians will push back this time.

http://thesaker.is/most-interesting-statement-of-m...

The goodies and baddies in Libya, how humanitarian militarism, intervention with the best intentions, morphed into a monster we have today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/03/good...

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 12th February 19:01

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

224 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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scherzkeks said:
Neocon drivel.
I'm sure they will appreciate your two word review of their organisation. smile

Phil

Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

192 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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Turkey is currently shelling YPG positions around Alleppo. The ISIS hotline to Erdogan must be busy at the moment.

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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not only Kurds, they are also shelling SDF in Aleppo, moderate rebels faction...only because Russians have supported those with the airstrikes against ISIS

it's a total clusterfk

Cobnapint

8,630 posts

151 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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At least the Russians aren't killing civilians. And it's all NATO's fault - according to the Russian PM that is.

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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that's why Russians allowed NATO planes to bomb in Syria...to accuse them in these situations

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

243 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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[QUOTE]Ludger Woessmann, a professor of economics at the University of Munich, tells German magazine Zeit 65 percent of Syrian refugees fail to meet international standards on basic reading and writing skills. Just 10 percent of the one million arrivals in the country this year have a college degree, which may force unemployment rates and demand for social welfare to rapidly go up.[/QUOTE]
Jesus. So much for the argument Syrians could replace an aging German workforce.