Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
I'm not sure it's appropriate to revisit one of the flashpoints of the conflict right now. That was deemed part of the start of it, it has been acknowledged by the Syrian government and now they are where they are. It has to be dealt with somehow, and total capitulation of the government, to leave those that do support them to their peril, is not a wise option without mediation and negotiation at least.
In overnight; @skynews: 22,000 IS registration forms are a truly remarkable intelligence haul.
http://news.sky.com/story/1656777/is-registration-...
Extremism abhors any alternative based on tolerance and inclusiveness of individual differences of thought and independent expression. Extremism seeks control and subjugation in its loveless pursuit of dominance over others.
That is exactly why there is collusion between these extremist groups:
1. Russian dominated YPG.
2. Assad Terrorist Mafia.
3. ISIS.
However Quantum & Co seem to disagree and I really don't understand why. Maybe someone else here can explain this to my inquiring mind.
Phil
http://news.sky.com/story/1656777/is-registration-...
Extremism abhors any alternative based on tolerance and inclusiveness of individual differences of thought and independent expression. Extremism seeks control and subjugation in its loveless pursuit of dominance over others.
That is exactly why there is collusion between these extremist groups:
1. Russian dominated YPG.
2. Assad Terrorist Mafia.
3. ISIS.
However Quantum & Co seem to disagree and I really don't understand why. Maybe someone else here can explain this to my inquiring mind.
Phil
Hi Phil
My thoughts are that Assad is the president of Syria and that a large amount of Syrians support him, hence a civil war.
The Russians were invited to help by the government and everyone else is trespassing, Turkey and Saudi are funding and assisting various groups ranging from Isis to Al Nusra to other so called moderate Islamic groups of rebels.
I'm sure Assad is a fairly authoritarian leader but as far as history tells me you need to be to run a middle eastern/ African country with any degree of stability, of course a stable Middle East doesn't seem to be what some western powers desire hence the funding and support for wars and rebellions and regime changes over the last 15 years or so.
As I've taken the time to answer your question would you extend the same courtesy and explain the reasons you hold such strong disdain for Assad and the Russians while supporting the efforts of groups like Al-Nusra who are affiliated to AQ and seem to delight in posting video links of Us/Saudi supplied weapons destroying armour and killing the soldiers manning it?
Peter
My thoughts are that Assad is the president of Syria and that a large amount of Syrians support him, hence a civil war.
The Russians were invited to help by the government and everyone else is trespassing, Turkey and Saudi are funding and assisting various groups ranging from Isis to Al Nusra to other so called moderate Islamic groups of rebels.
I'm sure Assad is a fairly authoritarian leader but as far as history tells me you need to be to run a middle eastern/ African country with any degree of stability, of course a stable Middle East doesn't seem to be what some western powers desire hence the funding and support for wars and rebellions and regime changes over the last 15 years or so.
As I've taken the time to answer your question would you extend the same courtesy and explain the reasons you hold such strong disdain for Assad and the Russians while supporting the efforts of groups like Al-Nusra who are affiliated to AQ and seem to delight in posting video links of Us/Saudi supplied weapons destroying armour and killing the soldiers manning it?
Peter
Budflicker said:
Hi Phil
My thoughts are that Assad is the president of Syria and that a large amount of Syrians support him, hence a civil war.
The Russians were invited to help by the government and everyone else is trespassing, Turkey and Saudi are funding and assisting various groups ranging from Isis to Al Nusra to other so called moderate Islamic groups of rebels.
I'm sure Assad is a fairly authoritarian leader but as far as history tells me you need to be to run a middle eastern/ African country with any degree of stability, of course a stable Middle East doesn't seem to be what some western powers desire hence the funding and support for wars and rebellions and regime changes over the last 15 years or so.
As I've taken the time to answer your question would you extend the same courtesy and explain the reasons you hold such strong disdain for Assad and the Russians while supporting the efforts of groups like Al-Nusra who are affiliated to AQ and seem to delight in posting video links of Us/Saudi supplied weapons destroying armour and killing the soldiers manning it?
Peter
Fair post - Assad is not liked by the Sunnis - quelle surprise.My thoughts are that Assad is the president of Syria and that a large amount of Syrians support him, hence a civil war.
The Russians were invited to help by the government and everyone else is trespassing, Turkey and Saudi are funding and assisting various groups ranging from Isis to Al Nusra to other so called moderate Islamic groups of rebels.
I'm sure Assad is a fairly authoritarian leader but as far as history tells me you need to be to run a middle eastern/ African country with any degree of stability, of course a stable Middle East doesn't seem to be what some western powers desire hence the funding and support for wars and rebellions and regime changes over the last 15 years or so.
As I've taken the time to answer your question would you extend the same courtesy and explain the reasons you hold such strong disdain for Assad and the Russians while supporting the efforts of groups like Al-Nusra who are affiliated to AQ and seem to delight in posting video links of Us/Saudi supplied weapons destroying armour and killing the soldiers manning it?
Peter
Budflicker said:
Hi Phil
As I've taken the time to answer your question would you extend the same courtesy and explain the reasons you hold such strong disdain for Assad and the Russians while supporting the efforts of groups like Al-Nusra who are affiliated to AQ and seem to delight in posting video links of Us/Saudi supplied weapons destroying armour and killing the soldiers manning it?
Peter
I take it debate is not your forte?As I've taken the time to answer your question would you extend the same courtesy and explain the reasons you hold such strong disdain for Assad and the Russians while supporting the efforts of groups like Al-Nusra who are affiliated to AQ and seem to delight in posting video links of Us/Saudi supplied weapons destroying armour and killing the soldiers manning it?
Peter
Transmitter Man said:
In overnight; @skynews: 22,000 IS registration forms are a truly remarkable intelligence haul.
http://news.sky.com/story/1656777/is-registration-...
Extremism abhors any alternative based on tolerance and inclusiveness of individual differences of thought and independent expression. Extremism seeks control and subjugation in its loveless pursuit of dominance over others.
That is exactly why there is collusion between these extremist groups:
1. Russian dominated YPG.
2. Assad Terrorist Mafia.
3. ISIS.
However Quantum & Co seem to disagree and I really don't understand why. Maybe someone else here can explain this to my inquiring mind.
Phil
Who is who in Syria at the moment, seems to change on a daily basis. The Asaad governement is the legitimate internationally recognised government of Syria, who have invited Russia, Iran and Hezbollah to assist stabilising the country. Anyone else, including Turkey, USA, UK, Saudi, Qatar etc. are illegally, militarily active within the country. Those are the bald facts of the situation.http://news.sky.com/story/1656777/is-registration-...
Extremism abhors any alternative based on tolerance and inclusiveness of individual differences of thought and independent expression. Extremism seeks control and subjugation in its loveless pursuit of dominance over others.
That is exactly why there is collusion between these extremist groups:
1. Russian dominated YPG.
2. Assad Terrorist Mafia.
3. ISIS.
However Quantum & Co seem to disagree and I really don't understand why. Maybe someone else here can explain this to my inquiring mind.
Phil
Which of these seems the "moderates" to you?
http://thesaker.is/a-whos-who-of-the-syrian-civil-...
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 10th March 12:15
Related, and very little online from English-lang. sources, but Michail Lessing, the ex-media advisor to Putin who died in Washington D.C. in November is now said to have died violently from head injuries rather than natural causes as initially reported. Hmm.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wladimir-put...
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wladimir-put...
This ISIS name leak..
It is suspicious that the names were released to and published by media outlets which, in general, tend to defer to the preferences of their governments and intelligence services. From the perspective of intelligence work, one would not want to make a breakthrough like that known in the event you actually had that kind of intelligence information because it would “spook” the terrorist group’s members and make it more difficult to locate and/or approach them in the future. There have been many instances of mainstream media “burying” stories which the “powers that be” did not want publicized at the time. The fact that both the media and the intelligence services clearly want to publicize this story suggests there is more to the story than meets the eye...
It is suspicious that the names were released to and published by media outlets which, in general, tend to defer to the preferences of their governments and intelligence services. From the perspective of intelligence work, one would not want to make a breakthrough like that known in the event you actually had that kind of intelligence information because it would “spook” the terrorist group’s members and make it more difficult to locate and/or approach them in the future. There have been many instances of mainstream media “burying” stories which the “powers that be” did not want publicized at the time. The fact that both the media and the intelligence services clearly want to publicize this story suggests there is more to the story than meets the eye...
Puin's bye bye to Syria is a way to give peace a chance. Significant that the announcement comes on the 5th anniversary of the peaceful protest marches in Daraa.
However, being a prize cynic, I'll believe it when I see it.
At my local coffee shop here in Limassol last night the general consensus of opinion by both local Syrian's and Lebanese was this if Russia really does pull out (save for a token force to protect their assets) and if Assad is not a passenger on one of the Tupolev's then he's toast within two weeks.
I'll be celebrating and taking Sherks & Quantum out for a slap up meal and a bottle of the best Smirnoff ice.
BTW; Don't stop there Vlad, get them out of Ukraine as well.
PS; Wasn't Russia invited to defeat ISIS?
Phil
However, being a prize cynic, I'll believe it when I see it.
At my local coffee shop here in Limassol last night the general consensus of opinion by both local Syrian's and Lebanese was this if Russia really does pull out (save for a token force to protect their assets) and if Assad is not a passenger on one of the Tupolev's then he's toast within two weeks.
I'll be celebrating and taking Sherks & Quantum out for a slap up meal and a bottle of the best Smirnoff ice.
BTW; Don't stop there Vlad, get them out of Ukraine as well.
PS; Wasn't Russia invited to defeat ISIS?
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Tuesday 15th March 05:28
Edited by Transmitter Man on Tuesday 15th March 05:29
Edited by Transmitter Man on Tuesday 15th March 06:32
Edited by Transmitter Man on Tuesday 15th March 06:34
Putin continues to surprise. 6 months and a ceasefire, which is holding. Job done, and leaves. Putin may have a talent for this peacekeeping thing.
I am sure some WMDs or incriminating letters will be found which prove his actual megalomaniacal motives. You cannot have Putin being a statesman, who can the media hate now? Gaddafi is gone, Sadaam's is gone, Assad has survived, need to find a new bogeyman.
There may actually be a very dim light at the end of the tunnel for this war. Iran, Russia and Hezbollah have brought a halt to the killing, hopefully permanently.
Seems the act like a terrorist, treated as a terrorist has some meaning in Russian.
Brains in Washington and probably Brussels and London are currently exploding at this.
Assad is not going to be toast, he survived 4 years alone, he is not going anywhere now.
I am sure some WMDs or incriminating letters will be found which prove his actual megalomaniacal motives. You cannot have Putin being a statesman, who can the media hate now? Gaddafi is gone, Sadaam's is gone, Assad has survived, need to find a new bogeyman.
There may actually be a very dim light at the end of the tunnel for this war. Iran, Russia and Hezbollah have brought a halt to the killing, hopefully permanently.
Seems the act like a terrorist, treated as a terrorist has some meaning in Russian.
Brains in Washington and probably Brussels and London are currently exploding at this.
Assad is not going to be toast, he survived 4 years alone, he is not going anywhere now.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 15th March 07:29
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Putin continues to surprise. 6 months and a ceasefire, which is holding. Job done, and leaves. Putin may have a talent for this peacekeeping thing.
Brains in Washington and probably Brussels and London are currently exploding at this.
It was probably the brains in London and Washington that kicked the withdrawal off.Brains in Washington and probably Brussels and London are currently exploding at this.
The ceasefire wouldn't have stuck a chance while
Putin was still pouring unguided munitions into residential areas, and he would have been told this in no uncertain terms.
He may have turned the tide a little in favour of Assad, but ISIS are still there, and so are the armed opposition militias. How you come to a peace settlement with this lot is beyond me.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Putin continues to surprise. 6 months and a ceasefire, which is holding. Job done, and leaves. Putin may have a talent for this peacekeeping thing.
I am sure some WMDs or incriminating letters will be found which prove his actual megalomaniacal motives. You cannot have Putin being a statesman, who can the media hate now? Gaddafi is gone, Sadaam's is gone, Assad has survived, need to find a new bogeyman.
US FP in the ME and LA in a nutshell.I am sure some WMDs or incriminating letters will be found which prove his actual megalomaniacal motives. You cannot have Putin being a statesman, who can the media hate now? Gaddafi is gone, Sadaam's is gone, Assad has survived, need to find a new bogeyman.
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