Meanwhile, In Syria

[discusdave]

so this is the state of play

[skyrover]

Looks like Chinese Muslims are lining up to join ISIS

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/20/report-100-chi...

Western foreign policy?

Freedom from Chinese imperialism?

[snorky782]

skyrover said:

Looks like Chinese Muslims are lining up to join ISIS

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/20/report-100-chi...

Western foreign policy?

Now that raises three points:

1. There are low and high figures quoted of 100 and 300. The latter being seen as "implausibly high", given China's population, that's hardly "queuing up"

2. The issue seems to be one of denying them access to their religion. How does that sit with those on here who continually advocate banning all religion as some sort of panacea to the whole problem?

3. How much of it is about money? The ones quoted as leaving China are the poorest educated with little employment prospects, whereas a nice ISIS driven income would benefit them greatly.

I'm choosing to ignore the fact that this is China and not Syria despite this thread being about Syria and China having no borders and the connection to ISIS being most likely Iraq (as this is nearest with no borders either) which is quoted in the article.

[Cobnapint]

Muslims joining ISIS? I thought it had nothing to do with Islam.

Thankfully, government spokespeople seemed to have dropped that punchline after recent events.

[snorky782]

Cobnapint said:

Muslims joining ISIS? I thought it had nothing to do with Islam.

Thankfully, government spokespeople seemed to have dropped that punchline after recent events.

Nobody has ever said that

Let's try this for you:

All ISIS terrorists are Muslim. Not all Muslims are ISIS terrorists

Now let's try some other things:

All IRA terrorists were Catholics. Not all Catholics were IRA terrorists

All members of ETA are Basque. Not all basques are members of ETA

All member of the EDL are white. Not all white people are members of the EDL

All cognac is brandy, not all brandy is cognac.

It's quite simple really.

[Cobnapint]

snorky782 said:

Cobnapint said:

Muslims joining ISIS? I thought it had nothing to do with Islam.

Thankfully, government spokespeople seemed to have dropped that punchline after recent events.

Nobody has ever said that.

You're completely wrong. The line was always 'this has nothing to do with Islam' or the other favourite 'this is un-Islamic'.

Where have you been for the last 15 years...?

[scherzkeks]

snorky782 said:

Nobody has ever said that

Let's try this for you:

All ISIS terrorists are Muslim. Not all Muslims are ISIS terrorists

Now let's try some other things:

All IRA terrorists were Catholics. Not all Catholics were IRA terrorists

All members of ETA are Basque. Not all basques are members of ETA

All member of the EDL are white. Not all white people are members of the EDL

All cognac is brandy, not all brandy is cognac.

It's quite simple really.

Take it easy on him.

[snorky782]

Cobnapint said:

snorky782 said:

Cobnapint said:

Muslims joining ISIS? I thought it had nothing to do with Islam.

Thankfully, government spokespeople seemed to have dropped that punchline after recent events.

Nobody has ever said that.

You're completely wrong. The line was always 'this has nothing to do with Islam' or the other favourite 'this is un-Islamic'.

Where have you been for the last 15 years...?

Straw man

Nobody has denied that Muslims are the ones joining up. That doesn't make it what all Muslims should do.

Nice snip ignoring my other comments btw. They make the point that you're trying to deny

[Cobnapint]

snorky782 said:

Nice snip ignoring my other comments btw. They make the point that you're trying to deny

I ignored them because they are, as usual, irrelevant.

I didn't say that 'all' Muslims are part of ISIS.

Try reading the words - you'll find it alot easier.

[snorky782]

Cobnapint said:

snorky782 said:

Nice snip ignoring my other comments btw. They make the point that you're trying to deny

I ignored them because they are, as usual, irrelevant.

I didn't say that 'all' Muslims are part of ISIS.

Try reading the words - you'll find it alot easier.

I have. It remains Un- Islamic and has nothing to do with Islam. there are many, many horrific acts carried out that are described as unChristian by Christians. That doesn't make all Christians bad.

You don't want to see it, because you've got your rhetoric that you like to peddle, no matter how narrow minded it is.

[Cobnapint]

snorky782 said:

I have. It remains Un- Islamic and has nothing to do with Islam. there are many, many horrific acts carried out that are described as unChristian by Christians. That doesn't make all Christians bad.

You don't want to see it, because you've got your rhetoric that you like to peddle, no matter how narrow minded it is.

Wrong again.

Yes, crimes are carried out by Christians and people who may follow other religions.

But they aren't doing it in the name of 'Christian State' or 'Roman Catholic State' are they? And they aren't shouting "praise the lord" repeatedly while they do it are they?

And 'I'm' the one who doesn't want to see it. Lol.

[snorky782]

Cobnapint said:

Wrong again.

Yes, crimes are carried out by Christians and people who may follow other religions.

But they aren't doing it in the name of 'Christian State' or 'Roman Catholic State' are they? And they aren't shouting "praise the lord" repeatedly while they do it are they?

And 'I'm' the one who doesn't want to see it. Lol.

Aren't they?

Maybe you should brush up on current affairs in the Central African Republic and parts of India. There are many other recent issues in many countries too.

I'm ignoring the US based lone wolf idiots who like to petrol bomb and lynch doctors for not adhering to what The Bible says about abortion.

[Cobnapint]

snorky782 said:

Aren't they?

Maybe you should brush up on current affairs in the Central African Republic and parts of India. There are many other recent issues in many countries too.

I'm ignoring the US based lone wolf idiots who like to petrol bomb and lynch doctors for not adhering to what The Bible says about abortion.

Oh, you mean the CAR where there's been an insurgency by Muslim 'Seleka' rebels which pushed into the capital, Bangui, ousted the president and committed atrocities against Christians, who then fought back in an attempt to stop their churches being attacked and way of life destroyed.

I know the one.

[skyrover]

snorky782 said:

Cobnapint said:

Wrong again.

Yes, crimes are carried out by Christians and people who may follow other religions.

But they aren't doing it in the name of 'Christian State' or 'Roman Catholic State' are they? And they aren't shouting "praise the lord" repeatedly while they do it are they?

And 'I'm' the one who doesn't want to see it. Lol.

Aren't they?

Maybe you should brush up on current affairs in the Central African Republic and parts of India. There are many other recent issues in many countries too.

I'm ignoring the US based lone wolf idiots who like to petrol bomb and lynch doctors for not adhering to what The Bible says about abortion.

Simply not true...

Here is a list of all terrorist acts carried out so far this year broken down by month. Notice any common themes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

[Cobnapint]

skyrover said:

Simply not true...

Here is a list of all terrorist acts carried out so far this year broken down by month. Notice any common themes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

Go easy on him with your fact pedling rhetoric.....

[snorky782]

skyrover said:

Simply not true...

Here is a list of all terrorist acts carried out so far this year broken down by month. Notice any common themes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

My mistake, I didn't realise we were only allowed to count this month

[snorky782]

Cobnapint said:

Oh, you mean the CAR where there's been an insurgency by Muslim 'Seleka' rebels which pushed into the capital, Bangui, ousted the president and committed atrocities against Christians, who then fought back in an attempt to stop their churches being attacked and way of life destroyed.

I know the one.

That's the one. A bunch of insurgents invade, so the Christians massacred members of that religion by the thousands just in case. Fits nicely with your rhetoric doesn't it?

[Cobnapint]

snorky782 said:

Cobnapint said:

Oh, you mean the CAR where there's been an insurgency by Muslim 'Seleka' rebels which pushed into the capital, Bangui, ousted the president and committed atrocities against Christians, who then fought back in an attempt to stop their churches being attacked and way of life destroyed.

I know the one.

That's the one. A bunch of insurgents invade, so the Christians massacred members of that religion by the thousands just in case. Fits nicely with your rhetoric doesn't it?

A bunch of 'islamic' insurgents invaded, killing only followers of a different religion to theirs, and the Christians responded in defence.

Fits perfectly with what actually happened. Rhetoric isn't required.

[snorky782]

Cobnapint said:

snorky782 said:

Cobnapint said:

Oh, you mean the CAR where there's been an insurgency by Muslim 'Seleka' rebels which pushed into the capital, Bangui, ousted the president and committed atrocities against Christians, who then fought back in an attempt to stop their churches being attacked and way of life destroyed.

I know the one.

That's the one. A bunch of insurgents invade, so the Christians massacred members of that religion by the thousands just in case. Fits nicely with your rhetoric doesn't it?

A bunch of 'islamic' insurgents invaded, killing only followers of a different religion to theirs, and the Christians responded in defence.

Fits perfectly with what actually happened. Rhetoric isn't required.

And without doubt the actions of two groups of thugs hiding behind religion as their motivation for their actions. Neither killed the right people necessarily, they both just went on a rampage and committed genocide. That was my point all along

Anyway back to Syria.

[anonymous-user]

Cobnapint said:

A bunch of 'islamic' insurgents invaded, killing only followers of a different religion to theirs, and the Christians responded in defence.

Fits perfectly with what actually happened. Rhetoric isn't required.

Causation and correlation not always the same thing.

When you say it's all about people who aren't muslims being attacked for not being muslim, what do you say to the muslims being slaughtered by ISIS in the Middle East?