Meanwhile, In Syria
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snorky782 said:
avinalarf said:
I'm only avinalarf ,snorky.
BTW you could start by changing your nickname,I mean......snorky....it's a bit weird.
It's not very loveable is it....I mean ....what do you say when you're chatting up a gal ?
" Hi I'm Snorky,can I buy you a drink".
It's the Banana Splits man. My bike racing teammate is on here as Fleegle, another Banana Split. BTW you could start by changing your nickname,I mean......snorky....it's a bit weird.
It's not very loveable is it....I mean ....what do you say when you're chatting up a gal ?
" Hi I'm Snorky,can I buy you a drink".
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Tra la la,ompidy,dompidy,deeeee....
See how much fun this forum can be.
avinalarf said:
That's more like it snorky....
Tra la la,ompidy,dompidy,deeeee....
See how much fun this forum can be.
I have a great laugh with many off here. Tra la la,ompidy,dompidy,deeeee....
See how much fun this forum can be.
This maternity ward, if reported on mainstream news, rather than ignored / a 10 second slot, could become very awkward, especially if it's the US that did it. Russia will just deny it as usual.
snorky782 said:
I have a great laugh with many off here.
This maternity ward, if reported on mainstream news, rather than ignored / a 10 second slot, could become very awkward, especially if it's the US that did it. Russia will just deny it as usual.
It's a terrible thing to have happened,but war is brutal and one must presume it was a serious error.This maternity ward, if reported on mainstream news, rather than ignored / a 10 second slot, could become very awkward, especially if it's the US that did it. Russia will just deny it as usual.
I cannot believe the USA or Russia targeted the hospital.
I'm not sure by trying to pretend that a war is anything but a brutal reality and one that should not happen is a good thing.
If we take Hiroshima as an example the pictures of the devastation the nuclear bomb caused and the loss of innocent lives has probably saved the World from another nuclear attack.
Someday,maybe,we will evolve into proper human beings.
avinalarf said:
Someday,maybe,we will evolve into proper human beings.
Really?? War, ever increasing cruelty, terror, etc. etc. It seems that there are periods when there is not much of this going on, then it all kicks off again, in cycles similar in length to the Keynesian economic cycle, only far more deadly. I think the World is in a pretty s
t place at the moment, & it won't get much better in our lifetimes. All I can say, although very selfishly, is thank fk I'm an Anglo-Saxon from SE England - life could be an awful lot worse. Biker 1 said:
avinalarf said:
Someday,maybe,we will evolve into proper human beings.
Really?? War, ever increasing cruelty, terror, etc. etc. It seems that there are periods when there is not much of this going on, then it all kicks off again, in cycles similar in length to the Keynesian economic cycle, only far more deadly. I think the World is in a pretty st place at the moment, & it won't get much better in our lifetimes. All I can say, although very selfishly, is thank fk I'm an Anglo-Saxon from SE England - life could be an awful lot worse. glazbagun said:
The world is actually doing better than ever, it just feels worse because of our news filters and pre-disposition to focus on novelty. Extreme poverty is falling, childhood mortality, malnutrition is falling, gender equality, education and access to healthcare is increasing. By almost every metric the world is improving overall.
Yet the wars just keep getting more cruel & barbaric. The situation in Syria is nothing short of savagery...A scary prospect of Hilary getting involved in Syria. Her record in Libya does not bode well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/hillary...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/hillary...
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 30th July 11:09
Biker 1 said:
glazbagun said:
The world is actually doing better than ever, it just feels worse because of our news filters and pre-disposition to focus on novelty. Extreme poverty is falling, childhood mortality, malnutrition is falling, gender equality, education and access to healthcare is increasing. By almost every metric the world is improving overall.
Yet the wars just keep getting more cruel & barbaric. The situation in Syria is nothing short of savagery...We've had the Yugoslav wars in the 90's, African civil wars, Kosovo, Burma, partition of India/ Pakistan/ Palestine, Afghanistan in the 80's etc. I think it feels worse because we have 24 hour news, forums, social media and also for the first time the problems in the Middle East are showing the smallest hint of spilling over into Europe, making it much harder for us to ignore like we do most conflicts.
snorky782 said:
So what? 20, 30, 40 years ago it was someone else doing it for some other reason. Just because some claims to do something in the name of Islam does not make it Islamic.
That Munich nutter claimed to be shooting foreigners as he was German. Does that mean it was done in the name of Germany?
Tbh, this thread is going to get locked because you lot are just going to bang on and on and on about every Muslim and the whole of Islam being terrorists and a religion of terror, which is simply wrong. You won't listen to reason and effectively are just different sides of the same coin with your extreme views.
I'd rather discuss Syria. Russia and the Syrian forces seem to have agreed to let innocents escape form Aleppo. I guess you'd rather they were all shot, which is why we'll never agree.
Snorkeling, That Munich nutter claimed to be shooting foreigners as he was German. Does that mean it was done in the name of Germany?
Tbh, this thread is going to get locked because you lot are just going to bang on and on and on about every Muslim and the whole of Islam being terrorists and a religion of terror, which is simply wrong. You won't listen to reason and effectively are just different sides of the same coin with your extreme views.
I'd rather discuss Syria. Russia and the Syrian forces seem to have agreed to let innocents escape form Aleppo. I guess you'd rather they were all shot, which is why we'll never agree.
And who do you think will decide who's innocent or guilty?
Do you think any male of fighting age will be part of the decision?
Do you think ones religion will be a factor?
Phil
The Don of Croy said:
scherzkeks said:
Different times, but the Viet Cong used terror, too; it was just confined to the region, much like the terror in the ME up until the past decade or so.
With the advent of social media, it is a no-brainer that this would happen. Again, where does the likes of ISIS get all of these young men? What drives them? Even the CIA openly admits that blowback accounts for much of it.
Those who want to believe it is purely the result of an "evil" religion do so so that they can sleep better at night. We have utterly destroyed vast swathes of the ME over the course of decades, and it continues. No offense, but consider the banality of your opening remark "might get them upset." Do you understand the scale of the destruction?
I think if you look you'll find terrorism with a ME flavour was around much beyond just 'the past decade or so', given that 9/11 was more than a decade ago and OBL's first Trade Centre bombing was in the early 1990's. The activities of the PLO go back waaaaaay beyond...With the advent of social media, it is a no-brainer that this would happen. Again, where does the likes of ISIS get all of these young men? What drives them? Even the CIA openly admits that blowback accounts for much of it.
Those who want to believe it is purely the result of an "evil" religion do so so that they can sleep better at night. We have utterly destroyed vast swathes of the ME over the course of decades, and it continues. No offense, but consider the banality of your opening remark "might get them upset." Do you understand the scale of the destruction?
As for the scale of destruction, well Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Dresden and Coventry and Antwerp and....you get the picture? The modern inhabitants of those destroyed cities are not joining up to fight their destroyers in 2016, are they?
Whilst parts of the ME have been hit badly, others have developed astonishingly well.
As for Syria/ISIS, there was a piece (in the Times iirc) recently pointing to post invasion Iraq as the pivotal moment in ISIS creation. It was to do with the imprisonment of large numbers of Ba'ath party members some of whom were military, others civil servants etc who then networked (there was little else to do) and established the basis of a new force, allied to their branch of Islam.
I'm not sure why they take on the strict form of observance - maybe it's just a front to attract maximum attention and gullible followers. What they do have is experience in running things.
But what is your point with Dresden, Nagasaki? What do those situations have in common with prolonged destablization in a resource rich region, and prolonged occupation? With policy to transform an entire region and remake it in our image? The groups in these scenarios are also entirely different. Japan had a conventional army, so did Germany, and those bombings were part of a conventional war over 70 years ago. Even if there were radical groups who wanted revenge (though Dresden was revenge on the conventional level itself), they didn't have the means to carry out the sorts of attacks that go on today. The world is a different place.
The problem is that,although we have made huge leaps in scientific discovery over the past 50 years we have not had the same revolution in our philosophical development.
The big questions,Why are we here ?What is our purpose ? are not really discussed or taught at our schools unless students choose to take the subject at A level or degree.
Therefore most people go through life just struggling to earn a living to keep a roof over them and their family with little time to think about the bigger picture.
Most people are born into a religion which they practice to some extent,mainly depending on way their family practice it,and this provides their moral compass.
As for religion,well ,this is certainly a case where,a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
In most religions there have been attempts to explain and extrapolate the original texts ,by sages,over the years,but most people never ever read them.
I won't continue on religion as I'll be on here all day.
Lots more I could say but don't want to bore you.
The big questions,Why are we here ?What is our purpose ? are not really discussed or taught at our schools unless students choose to take the subject at A level or degree.
Therefore most people go through life just struggling to earn a living to keep a roof over them and their family with little time to think about the bigger picture.
Most people are born into a religion which they practice to some extent,mainly depending on way their family practice it,and this provides their moral compass.
As for religion,well ,this is certainly a case where,a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
In most religions there have been attempts to explain and extrapolate the original texts ,by sages,over the years,but most people never ever read them.
I won't continue on religion as I'll be on here all day.
Lots more I could say but don't want to bore you.
Biker 1 said:
irocfan said:
Actually iirc the savagery in 100 years war and other conflicts from long ago would make us blanche
True - but they didn't have AK47s or barrel bombs for example....I wonder if the Yemenis agree.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 30th July 11:10
Transmitter Man said:
snorky782 said:
So what? 20, 30, 40 years ago it was someone else doing it for some other reason. Just because some claims to do something in the name of Islam does not make it Islamic.
That Munich nutter claimed to be shooting foreigners as he was German. Does that mean it was done in the name of Germany?
Tbh, this thread is going to get locked because you lot are just going to bang on and on and on about every Muslim and the whole of Islam being terrorists and a religion of terror, which is simply wrong. You won't listen to reason and effectively are just different sides of the same coin with your extreme views.
I'd rather discuss Syria. Russia and the Syrian forces seem to have agreed to let innocents escape form Aleppo. I guess you'd rather they were all shot, which is why we'll never agree.
Snorkeling, That Munich nutter claimed to be shooting foreigners as he was German. Does that mean it was done in the name of Germany?
Tbh, this thread is going to get locked because you lot are just going to bang on and on and on about every Muslim and the whole of Islam being terrorists and a religion of terror, which is simply wrong. You won't listen to reason and effectively are just different sides of the same coin with your extreme views.
I'd rather discuss Syria. Russia and the Syrian forces seem to have agreed to let innocents escape form Aleppo. I guess you'd rather they were all shot, which is why we'll never agree.
And who do you think will decide who's innocent or guilty?
Do you think any male of fighting age will be part of the decision?
Do you think ones religion will be a factor?
Phil
snorky782 said:
Given that they're all likely to be Muslims, I very much doubt religion could be a factor. I have no idea how the Rissians Amd Syrian Army will decide. I expect to hear some stories of mass murder and the like surfacing, but also stories of lines of refugees walking out of Aleppo to somewhere else.
Oh they will. Sunnis, Shias, Alawites etc will want to kill each other, then there'll be fundamentalists versus moderates. Salafists versus Wahabiists. They'll find something.It's one of the many things I find amazing about Islam. That they all share the same text, they all believe it to be the words of God, many claim it is so beautiful to the ear that just hearing it affirms their faith, and yet apparently they misinterpret it in their millions and have done for centuries, finding ways to kill each other and draw up new dividing lines.
AJS- said:
Oh they will. Sunnis, Shias, Alawites etc will want to kill each other, then there'll be fundamentalists versus moderates. Salafists versus Wahabiists. They'll find something.
It's one of the many things I find amazing about Islam. That they all share the same text, they all believe it to be the words of God, many claim it is so beautiful to the ear that just hearing it affirms their faith, and yet apparently they misinterpret it in their millions and have done for centuries, finding ways to kill each other and draw up new dividing lines.
Errrr......Catholics and Protestants.....ring any bells ?It's one of the many things I find amazing about Islam. That they all share the same text, they all believe it to be the words of God, many claim it is so beautiful to the ear that just hearing it affirms their faith, and yet apparently they misinterpret it in their millions and have done for centuries, finding ways to kill each other and draw up new dividing lines.
Thing is, their wars were several hundred years ago,albeit not until recently in Ireland.
What about the Spanish Inquisition ?
Seems like the Muslims are having their turn now.
AJS- said:
Oh they will. Sunnis, Shias, Alawites etc will want to kill each other, then there'll be fundamentalists versus moderates. Salafists versus Wahabiists. They'll find something.
It's one of the many things I find amazing about Islam. That they all share the same text, they all believe it to be the words of God, many claim it is so beautiful to the ear that just hearing it affirms their faith, and yet apparently they misinterpret it in their millions and have done for centuries, finding ways to kill each other and draw up new dividing lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazboLKbUvAIt's one of the many things I find amazing about Islam. That they all share the same text, they all believe it to be the words of God, many claim it is so beautiful to the ear that just hearing it affirms their faith, and yet apparently they misinterpret it in their millions and have done for centuries, finding ways to kill each other and draw up new dividing lines.
AJS- said:
Oh they will. Sunnis, Shias, Alawites etc will want to kill each other, then there'll be fundamentalists versus moderates. Salafists versus Wahabiists. They'll find something.
It's one of the many things I find amazing about Islam. That they all share the same text, they all believe it to be the words of God, many claim it is so beautiful to the ear that just hearing it affirms their faith, and yet apparently they misinterpret it in their millions and have done for centuries, finding ways to kill each other and draw up new dividing lines.
Mohammed led the forces of Islam into battle several times. His teachings didn't get around to what needed to happen when there was no external existential threat to Islam unfortunately, and that's why it still feels like a religion on a war footing. It's one of the many things I find amazing about Islam. That they all share the same text, they all believe it to be the words of God, many claim it is so beautiful to the ear that just hearing it affirms their faith, and yet apparently they misinterpret it in their millions and have done for centuries, finding ways to kill each other and draw up new dividing lines.
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