Meanwhile, In Syria

[Budflicker]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Where is this going to end? Is the US going to allow it's Salafist "allies" to drag it into a hot war with Russia?

I hope not, but wars have started for stranger reasons. We have China, Russia Iran and Syria on one side, with US, UK, Turkey, Israel, Saudi and Qatar on the other.

Is the UK or USA prepared to go to war in support of ISIS or Al Nusra? I guess we will find out.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 3rd October 19:33

Certainly not in my name, but then what say do I have in the matter.

Let's hope we all step back from the brink.

[AreOut]

Liokault said:

You really think that's true? The Russians couldn't hit more hospitals if they tried.

well according to MSM they have hit so many hospitals that it seems there is a hospital in every street of Aleppo...see the map of Aleppo do the count and check for yourself

[Cobnapint]

Liokault said:

You really think that's true? The Russians couldn't hit more hospitals if they tried.

Russia has probably killed more civilians than it has ISIS members. And all without using any military (remember in March he said he was pulling his military out of Syria).

Lie.

Yes, I know amongst those civilians there are some pretty unsavoury types. But he's doing this in support of one of the most unsavoury types in the ME. He is supporting a murdering tyrant.

Of course, we all know Putin's cover story for entering the Syria conflict was to help combat ISIS.

Lie.

Like the 'we had nothing to do with the shooting down of that airliner' - Lie.

And, there are no Russian troops in E. Ukraine - Lie.

And Lavrov the other day, we take all steps to avoid civilian casualties - Lie.

I don't blame the US for withdrawing from talks with them - you can't believe a fking word they say.

[scherzkeks]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Is the UK or USA prepared to go to war in support of ISIS or Al Nusra? I guess we will find out.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 3rd October 19:33

The liklihood may be higher than many think. IMO, the US as an empire is in the middle phase of collapse. There has been a lot written on this subject by a number of scholars.

[Liokault]

AreOut said:

Liokault said:

You really think that's true? The Russians couldn't hit more hospitals if they tried.

well according to MSM they have hit so many hospitals that it seems there is a hospital in every street of Aleppo...see the map of Aleppo do the count and check for yourself

Or there hitting the same hospital over and over again. I know which scenario I think is more likely.

[Budflicker]

Cobnapint said:

Russia has probably killed more civilians than it has ISIS members. And all without using any military (remember in March he said he was pulling his military out of Syria).

Lie.

Yes, I know amongst those civilians there are some pretty unsavoury types. But he's doing this in support of one of the most unsavoury types in the ME. He is supporting a murdering tyrant.

Of course, we all know Putin's cover story for entering the Syria conflict was to help combat ISIS.

Lie.

Like the 'we had nothing to do with the shooting down of that airliner' - Lie.

And, there are no Russian troops in E. Ukraine - Lie.

And Lavrov the other day, we take all steps to avoid civilian casualties - Lie.

I don't blame the US for withdrawing from talks with them - you can't believe a fking word they say.

So do you think we should go to war with them?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Cobnapint said:

Liokault said:

You really think that's true? The Russians couldn't hit more hospitals if they tried.

Russia has probably killed more civilians than it has ISIS members. And all without using any military (remember in March he said he was pulling his military out of Syria).

Lie.

Yes, I know amongst those civilians there are some pretty unsavoury types. But he's doing this in support of one of the most unsavoury types in the ME. He is supporting a murdering tyrant.

Of course, we all know Putin's cover story for entering the Syria conflict was to help combat ISIS.

Lie.

Like the 'we had nothing to do with the shooting down of that airliner' - Lie.

And, there are no Russian troops in E. Ukraine - Lie.

And Lavrov the other day, we take all steps to avoid civilian casualties - Lie.

I don't blame the US for withdrawing from talks with them - you can't believe a fking word they say.

I am getting the subtle feeling, that you may not be fond of Vlad Putin.

He lies, and you expect anything different, he is a politician! Here are some recent examples;
WMD X2,
Brexit-aggedon,
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman",
Jeremy Corbyn can win an election,
"I am not a crook".

and finally,

"I did not have sexual relations with that pigs head" ... Okay the last one I made up.

[Cobnapint]

Budflicker said:

So do you think we should go to war with them?

That's a different kettle of fish for obvious reasons, and Putin is throwing his weight around exactly for those reasons - he knows we won't do it.

That's not to say there isn't enough evidence to construct a fair minded global coalition against him.

Don't forget, the US will have tracked every single flight from take-off to landing in that particular theatre. They know exactly what type of planes, who's planes, what time those planes conducted attacks and where.

They know far more than they let on, and that will have contributed to the decision made today.

[Cobnapint]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I am getting the subtle feeling, that you may not be fond of Vlad Putin.

He lies, and you expect anything different, he is a politician! Here are some recent examples;
WMD X2,
Brexit-aggedon,
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman",
Jeremy Corbyn can win an election,
"I am not a crook".

and finally,

"I did not have sexual relations with that pigs head" ... Okay the last one I made up.

George Osborne'a scare stories, Clinton's old chap in Monica Lewinsky's cake hole and face saving support for a Labour leader you can't get rid of, hardly compare with the whoppers that spew from the Kremlin now do they.

[Budflicker]

Cobnapint said:

That's a different kettle of fish for obvious reasons, and Putin is throwing his weight around exactly for those reasons - he knows we won't do it.

That's not to say there isn't enough evidence to construct a fair minded global coalition against him.

Don't forget, the US will have tracked every single flight from take-off to landing in that particular theatre. They know exactly what type of planes, who's planes, what time those planes conducted attacks and where.

They know far more than they let on, and that will have contributed to the decision made today.

By that then I take it they knew full well they were bombing Syrian army troops the other week then and meant to do it?

[Driller]

Cobnapint said:

Liokault said:

You really think that's true? The Russians couldn't hit more hospitals if they tried.

Russia has probably killed more civilians than it has ISIS members. And all without using any military (remember in March he said he was pulling his military out of Syria).

Lie.

Yes, I know amongst those civilians there are some pretty unsavoury types. But he's doing this in support of one of the most unsavoury types in the ME. He is supporting a murdering tyrant.

Of course, we all know Putin's cover story for entering the Syria conflict was to help combat ISIS.

Lie.

Like the 'we had nothing to do with the shooting down of that airliner' - Lie.

And, there are no Russian troops in E. Ukraine - Lie.

And Lavrov the other day, we take all steps to avoid civilian casualties - Lie.

I don't blame the US for withdrawing from talks with them - you can't believe a fking word they say.

You conveniently forgot the biggest lie of all: why has Syria been so messed up for these past years, with so many people killed, who started it and why?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Budflicker said:

Cobnapint said:

That's a different kettle of fish for obvious reasons, and Putin is throwing his weight around exactly for those reasons - he knows we won't do it.

That's not to say there isn't enough evidence to construct a fair minded global coalition against him.

Don't forget, the US will have tracked every single flight from take-off to landing in that particular theatre. They know exactly what type of planes, who's planes, what time those planes conducted attacks and where.

They know far more than they let on, and that will have contributed to the decision made today.

By that then I take it they knew full well they were bombing Syrian army troops the other week then and meant to do it?

No, that was a perfectly excusable mistake, that it was coordinated with an ISIS offensive was merely coincidence, against the only Syrian government outpost in the east of Syria. US-ISIS-AF at work. Let ask the same question about the UN convoy attack. A NATO drone was overhead before and during the attack, with evidence to suggest it was a Hellfire missile that struck the convoy. How convenient to have a UN convoy attack, just when the Syrian Army is gaining ground, next the hospital attacks, it almost seems like they do not want the Syrian government to take control of its own country again. that cannot be, surely!

NATO countries would never, ever use a manufactured excuse to invade a sovereign country and kill its citizens, not ever! They are the "good guys". They would never destabilise a country by fomenting revolution by economic and subversive means.

Now let's talk about Iraq, Libya, Guatemala, DRC. Ukraine, Colombia, San Salvador, Venezuela, Panama, Indonesia, Iran etc. again. Perhaps not.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 4th October 08:10

[QuantumTokoloshi]

scherzkeks said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Is the UK or USA prepared to go to war in support of ISIS or Al Nusra? I guess we will find out.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 3rd October 19:33

The liklihood may be higher than many think. IMO, the US as an empire is in the middle phase of collapse. There has been a lot written on this subject by a number of scholars.

That is what scares me. The Russians and Syrians need to get the Aleppo campaign over before the US election, as Hillary will do something stupid, as she did in Libya.

I suggested the current strategy is designed to ensure the next president is tied into an aggressive Syrian government overthrow strategy, Libya, Iraq is the template.

Hillary is a paid up neo-con but Trump is an unknown.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 4th October 07:10

[Smiler.]

Cobnapint said:

Smiler. said:

More very interesting points made by the first caller (Syrian living in the UK) on R4's Any Answers.

Find it very hard to argue with his stance.

Which is.....?

In short, Syria as a country is made up of several groups, some of which have some serious external backers (Saudi, Turkey etc). These groups would be at each others throats outside of an overruling regime structure (a bit like now).

The only way to stop the killing is ti sue for peace & negotiate a cessation to the fighting.



My opinion is that Russia (unlike all the other western players) doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks about their actions. Since the relative inaction following the activities in the Crimea, they are freshly emboldened to do what they like. The government are merely an elected extension of their mafia. Having a stronghold on the border of Turkey may be their ultimate goal. Who knows.

But stopping the killing is the best outcome, given that these interested parties are playing out their squabbles in someone else's back garden.

Not hopeful though

[Cobnapint]

Smiler. said:

Cobnapint said:

Smiler. said:

More very interesting points made by the first caller (Syrian living in the UK) on R4's Any Answers.

Find it very hard to argue with his stance.

Which is.....?

In short, Syria as a country is made up of several groups, some of which have some serious external backers (Saudi, Turkey etc). These groups would be at each others throats outside of an overruling regime structure (a bit like now).

The only way to stop the killing is ti sue for peace & negotiate a cessation to the fighting.



My opinion is that Russia (unlike all the other western players) doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks about their actions. Since the relative inaction following the activities in the Crimea, they are freshly emboldened to do what they like. The government are merely an elected extension of their mafia. Having a stronghold on the border of Turkey may be their ultimate goal. Who knows.

But stopping the killing is the best outcome, given that these interested parties are playing out their squabbles in someone else's back garden.

Not hopeful though

I see. Thanks.

[Cobnapint]

Budflicker said:

By that then I take it they knew full well they were bombing Syrian army troops the other week then and meant to do it?

I don't think for one minute that was a deliberate attack on Syrian troops.

They knew full well they'd done it 'afterwards' yes, That's when the admission came.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Cobnapint said:

Budflicker said:

By that then I take it they knew full well they were bombing Syrian army troops the other week then and meant to do it?

I don't think for one minute that was a deliberate attack on Syrian troops.

They knew full well they'd done it 'afterwards' yes, That's when the admission came.

Of course it was not a deliberate attack, just like The gulf of Tonkin incident was all about North Vietnamese aggression, likewise the bay of pigs invasion, was all due to evil Cuban aggression, that evil dictator Saddam Hussein with his Weapons of Mass Destruction and close links to Al Qaeda.

Those dangerous people in Grenada deserved to be invaded, they were clearly a threat with their Caribbean island cocktails and finally Operation Just cause, the USA invaded Panama because of terrible Panamanian drug dealing (A strange parallel to another conflict in Ukraine, but hey, that is the evil Russians)

In other news, the Tooth fairy and Easter Bunny have been spotted in Hyde park.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 4th October 20:25

[AndStilliRise]

Oil. It's all about land and oil.

War is big business whichever way you look at it. The 'good guys' all want paying, so what better way than to start a war, uproot the civilians, cause damage and then want to come in to 'rebuild the country.'

At the moment i know of someone who lives in Dubai and works in Iraq. He is working for BP and they are extracting the oil. He is being paid well to work there, so you think the British government are paying him or do you think the Iraq oil is paying for him?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

AndStilliRise said:

Oil. It's all about land and oil.

War is big business whichever way you look at it. The 'good guys' all want paying, so what better way than to start a war, uproot the civilians, cause damage and then want to come in to 'rebuild the country.'

At the moment i know of someone who lives in Dubai and works in Iraq. He is working for BP and they are extracting the oil. He is being paid well to work there, so you think the British government are paying him or do you think the Iraq oil is paying for him?

No NO NO ! It is about Democracy and freedom ! Democracy and freedom I tell you. Hellfire missile enforced, JDAM sponsored democracy and freedom. The fact they have oil is merely a coincidence, a happy coincidence, but a coincidence. Oh look, a Leprechaun.

[gooner1]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Cobnapint said:

Budflicker said:

By that then I take it they knew full well they were bombing Syrian army troops the other week then and meant to do it?

I don't think for one minute that was a deliberate attack on Syrian troops.

They knew full well they'd done it 'afterwards' yes, That's when the admission came.

Of course it was not a deliberate attack, just like The gulf of Tonkin incident was all about North Vietnamese aggression, likewise the bay of pigs invasion, was all due to evil Cuban aggression, that evil dictator Saddam Hussein with his Weapons of Mass Destruction and close links to Al Qaeda, those dangerous people in Grenada deserved to be invaded, they were clearly a threat with their Caribbean island cocktails and finally Operation Just cause, the USA invaded Panama because of terrible Panamanian drug dealing (A strange parallel to another conflict in Ukraine, but hey that is the evil Russians)

In other news, the Tooth fairy and Easter Bunny have been spotted in Hyde park...

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 4th October 15:23

Have the Russians admitted to any, erm, mistakes in the current bloodletting?