Meanwhile, In Syria
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Scoobman said:
For all you guys on here, interested in this stuff. This is a an excellent book.
Written by two leading US defense experts. In stead of writing an academic text book, which most would not read, they put the possible scenarios (using existing tech) of the next major conflict into a novel.
Worth a read, if you haven't all ready
http://www.ghostfleetbook.com/the-book/
I have just spent a fascinating day in Germany with a bunch of Vietnam combat helicopter pilots, interesting to see their view of the war and how they dealt with it. Anyway off to bed.......bushed!
Sounds like a great way to spend a day. Thanks for the recommendation, looks like my kind of book. Written by two leading US defense experts. In stead of writing an academic text book, which most would not read, they put the possible scenarios (using existing tech) of the next major conflict into a novel.
Worth a read, if you haven't all ready
http://www.ghostfleetbook.com/the-book/
I have just spent a fascinating day in Germany with a bunch of Vietnam combat helicopter pilots, interesting to see their view of the war and how they dealt with it. Anyway off to bed.......bushed!
I loved red storm rising. currently enjoying the devil's chessboard.
I see they are discussing Syria in the HOC at the moment. Apparently some are wanting no fly zones over Aleppo . That should work! 
The sad thing, is that the situation in Syria is self inflicted. The west chose to interfere and support those attacking Assad's forces. When, with just a few minutes research you find that Syria is Russia's only toe hold on the MED. There is no way Putin is going to allow that base to be lost, especially when the West, as said, has been actively supporting anti Assad forces.
Fact is, we should never have interfered, assad would have held sway long ago had we not got ionvolved. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, I know, but fact is, we should withdraw support for anti Assad forces and this horrendous scenario will hopefully sooner rather than later play itself out.
Assad is going nowhere, Putin is not going to allow it.
The sad thing, is that the situation in Syria is self inflicted. The west chose to interfere and support those attacking Assad's forces. When, with just a few minutes research you find that Syria is Russia's only toe hold on the MED. There is no way Putin is going to allow that base to be lost, especially when the West, as said, has been actively supporting anti Assad forces.
Fact is, we should never have interfered, assad would have held sway long ago had we not got ionvolved. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, I know, but fact is, we should withdraw support for anti Assad forces and this horrendous scenario will hopefully sooner rather than later play itself out.
Assad is going nowhere, Putin is not going to allow it.
Hosenbugler said:
I see they are discussing Syria in the HOC at the moment. Apparently some are wanting no fly zones over Aleppo . That should work!
The sad thing, is that the situation in Syria is self inflicted. The west chose to interfere and support those attacking Assad's forces. When, with just a few minutes research you find that Syria is Russia's only toe hold on the MED. There is no way Putin is going to allow that base to be lost, especially when the West, as said, has been actively supporting anti Assad forces.
Fact is, we should never have interfered, assad would have held sway long ago had we not got ionvolved. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, I know, but fact is, we should withdraw support for anti Assad forces and this horrendous scenario will hopefully sooner rather than later play itself out.
Assad is going nowhere, Putin is not going to allow it.
The MPs can want to impose a no fly zone all they like, not going to happen, unless the UK is prepared to attack Russian installations or planes. A peer opponent, not quite Libya or Iraq. Most frustrating for them.The sad thing, is that the situation in Syria is self inflicted. The west chose to interfere and support those attacking Assad's forces. When, with just a few minutes research you find that Syria is Russia's only toe hold on the MED. There is no way Putin is going to allow that base to be lost, especially when the West, as said, has been actively supporting anti Assad forces.
Fact is, we should never have interfered, assad would have held sway long ago had we not got ionvolved. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, I know, but fact is, we should withdraw support for anti Assad forces and this horrendous scenario will hopefully sooner rather than later play itself out.
Assad is going nowhere, Putin is not going to allow it.
How about a no fly zone over Yemen? Atrocities being committed daily. No comment I suppose.
Hosenbugler said:
I see they are discussing Syria in the HOC at the moment. Apparently some are wanting no fly zones over Aleppo . That should work!
The sad thing, is that the situation in Syria is self inflicted. The west chose to interfere and support those attacking Assad's forces. When, with just a few minutes research you find that Syria is Russia's only toe hold on the MED. There is no way Putin is going to allow that base to be lost, especially when the West, as said, has been actively supporting anti Assad forces.
Fact is, we should never have interfered, assad would have held sway long ago had we not got ionvolved. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, I know, but fact is, we should withdraw support for anti Assad forces and this horrendous scenario will hopefully sooner rather than later play itself out.
Assad is going nowhere, Putin is not going to allow it.
Nail, head hit. The western hypocrisy is absolutely nauseating; we have funded and armed Islamic extremists under the guise of 'democracy', - but in reality to reduce Russian influence in the Middle East. This has resulted in the destruction of much of Syria. All this talk of a no-fly zone is laughable. Putin can and will shoot down NATO aircraft - Western leaders know this so will expend a lot of hot air and then do absolutely nothing.The sad thing, is that the situation in Syria is self inflicted. The west chose to interfere and support those attacking Assad's forces. When, with just a few minutes research you find that Syria is Russia's only toe hold on the MED. There is no way Putin is going to allow that base to be lost, especially when the West, as said, has been actively supporting anti Assad forces.
Fact is, we should never have interfered, assad would have held sway long ago had we not got ionvolved. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, I know, but fact is, we should withdraw support for anti Assad forces and this horrendous scenario will hopefully sooner rather than later play itself out.
Assad is going nowhere, Putin is not going to allow it.
Why can't our leaders understand that this war is essentially about medieval religion-inspired barbarianism vs civilisation. Putin is certainly no angel and indeed, something of a tyrant. But he is fighting the same kind of people that parked passenger jets in the World Trade Centre. I suspect that our longer-term interests (and that of Syria) are best served working with him than against him.
I think Lunar Tick hits the nail on the head with the word Hypocrisy.
Many of us on here are not Putin apologists. We know he is ruthless and responsible for death and destruction and innocent lives lost.
It is just the US and the west are responsible for just as much death and destruction and in the case of Syria more blame can be placed at their doorstep.
Many are just incredulous that the US take the moral high ground and accuses Russia of war crimes. If it was not so tragic it would be comedy...I mean John Kerry might as well have been stood knee deep in a tub of blood when he made that statement with a straight face.
There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Many of us on here are not Putin apologists. We know he is ruthless and responsible for death and destruction and innocent lives lost.
It is just the US and the west are responsible for just as much death and destruction and in the case of Syria more blame can be placed at their doorstep.
Many are just incredulous that the US take the moral high ground and accuses Russia of war crimes. If it was not so tragic it would be comedy...I mean John Kerry might as well have been stood knee deep in a tub of blood when he made that statement with a straight face.
There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Scoobman said:
Many are just incredulous that the US take the moral high ground and accuses Russia of war crimes. If it was not so tragic it would be comedy...I mean John Kerry might as well have been stood knee deep in a tub of blood when he made that statement with a straight face.
There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Don't agree. Some US and British troops may not have been angels on the battlefield, and may have engaged in a bit of waterboarding and a few selfies with captured combatants in the background - but Russian forces are in a different league altogether.There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Here's a report on how Putin 'stands up for his national interests', together with some holiday photos from their little vacation in Ukraine. NSFW!
http://russiakills.com/en
Cobnapint said:
Scoobman said:
Many are just incredulous that the US take the moral high ground and accuses Russia of war crimes. If it was not so tragic it would be comedy...I mean John Kerry might as well have been stood knee deep in a tub of blood when he made that statement with a straight face.
There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Don't agree. Some US and British troops may not have been angels on the battlefield, and may have engaged in a bit of waterboarding and a few selfies with captured combatants in the background - but Russian forces are in a different league altogether.There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Tears in my eyes. scherzkeks said:
Cobnapint said:
Scoobman said:
Many are just incredulous that the US take the moral high ground and accuses Russia of war crimes. If it was not so tragic it would be comedy...I mean John Kerry might as well have been stood knee deep in a tub of blood when he made that statement with a straight face.
There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Don't agree. Some US and British troops may not have been angels on the battlefield, and may have engaged in a bit of waterboarding and a few selfies with captured combatants in the background - but Russian forces are in a different league altogether.There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Tears in my eyes. Driller said:
scherzkeks said:
Cobnapint said:
Scoobman said:
Many are just incredulous that the US take the moral high ground and accuses Russia of war crimes. If it was not so tragic it would be comedy...I mean John Kerry might as well have been stood knee deep in a tub of blood when he made that statement with a straight face.
There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Don't agree. Some US and British troops may not have been angels on the battlefield, and may have engaged in a bit of waterboarding and a few selfies with captured combatants in the background - but Russian forces are in a different league altogether.There are no good guys. There is no moral high ground. I guess they are banking on enough idiots in west watching the mainstream media and taking it at face value.
Tears in my eyes. I can only assume a Russian kicked his dog once or ran off with his wife. As this level of irrational hostility towards Russia and blind media acceptance must have some other source.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 12th October 08:07
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I had written a rebuttal to that argument, with video of US "mistakes" that killed men, woman and children, the murdering of entire villages, reports of hospitals being targeted repeatedly, but then, realises, no point to it.
I can only assume a Russian kicked his dog once or ran off with his wife. As this level of irrational hostility towards Russia and blind media acceptance must have some other source.
So you think British and UK troops behave in the same manner as that seen in E Ukraine. You three really are on the RT payroll.I can only assume a Russian kicked his dog once or ran off with his wife. As this level of irrational hostility towards Russia and blind media acceptance must have some other source.
It's reached the point where our troops can't shout at anybody without being held to account.
I think that all this is semantics. To talk about atrocities in isolation is misleading. Some American soldiers committed intentional atrocities in Iraq, like executing families, but that doesn't mean they all did that. We should be more worried about the intentions and tactics employed by those in power, the real decision makers, after all if it wasn't for their decisions then 'soldiers' wouldn't be there blowing families away or cutting off faces.
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Abadi responded by mocking Erdogan’s plea to the Turkish people to counter the attempted coup in July via a video phone call.
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