Meanwhile, In Syria
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Cobnapint said:
AreOut said:
Cobnapint said:
Who called for war against Russia....?
did you watch presidential debate?! HRC called for militarily enforcing NFZ in Syria and that is something you cannot do without all-out war.But no, she did not call for war. Much like no call for war in Iraq or Libya, merely the gift of democracy there.
Just like Germany did not call for war when enjoying a Polish Whermacht holiday in '39, Israel did not call for war when visiting Egyptian airfields in '67.
It is like watching Dr strangelove in real life!
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 13th October 11:43
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Quick scenario for you. Russian aircraft heads towards Aleppo. US / NATO aircraft attempts intercept, Russian aircraft hit, Russian SAM does a high speed disassembly of NATO aircraft, more planes sent up, SEAD missiles launched at SAM site, Russia responds with anti shipping missiles hitting aircraft carrier and cruise missiles at Turkish or Cypriot airbases and viola, full blown war in 30 minutes.
But no, she did not call for war. Much like no call for war in Iraq or Libya, merely the gift of democracy there.
Just like Germany did not call for war when enjoying a Polish Whermacht holiday in '39, Israel did not call for war when visiting Egyptian airfields in '67.
It is like watching Dr strangelove in real life!
Was not Russia also party to the German invasion of Poland.But no, she did not call for war. Much like no call for war in Iraq or Libya, merely the gift of democracy there.
Just like Germany did not call for war when enjoying a Polish Whermacht holiday in '39, Israel did not call for war when visiting Egyptian airfields in '67.
It is like watching Dr strangelove in real life!
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 13th October 11:43
gooner1 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Quick scenario for you. Russian aircraft heads towards Aleppo. US / NATO aircraft attempts intercept, Russian aircraft hit, Russian SAM does a high speed disassembly of NATO aircraft, more planes sent up, SEAD missiles launched at SAM site, Russia responds with anti shipping missiles hitting aircraft carrier and cruise missiles at Turkish or Cypriot airbases and viola, full blown war in 30 minutes.
But no, she did not call for war. Much like no call for war in Iraq or Libya, merely the gift of democracy there.
Just like Germany did not call for war when enjoying a Polish Whermacht holiday in '39, Israel did not call for war when visiting Egyptian airfields in '67.
It is like watching Dr strangelove in real life!
Was not Russia also party to the German invasion of Poland.But no, she did not call for war. Much like no call for war in Iraq or Libya, merely the gift of democracy there.
Just like Germany did not call for war when enjoying a Polish Whermacht holiday in '39, Israel did not call for war when visiting Egyptian airfields in '67.
It is like watching Dr strangelove in real life!
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 13th October 11:43
AreOut said:
but how do you think NFZ is enforced then? By throwing bunch of birds in the sky?
I am completely and utterly aware of how a NFZ is enforced, in the same way I am aware that if that were to happen, the chances of us coming into conflict with Air Putin are incredibly high.But HC did not call for war against Russia, so stop trying to say she did.
Cobnapint said:
I am completely and utterly aware of how a NFZ is enforced, in the same way I am aware that if that were to happen, the chances of us coming into conflict with Air Putin are incredibly high.
But HC did not call for war against Russia, so stop trying to say she did.
the chances are not "incredibly high", the chances are 100%But HC did not call for war against Russia, so stop trying to say she did.
so yes it is a call for war against Russia, you know it she knows it everyone knows it
It is illuminating to see the different coverage of the Iraqi "heroic" attempt to retake Mosul, against the "evil" and unreasonable attempt by Syrian government to retake control of Aleppo, with the same opponents active in both cities.
There does seem to be a lack of "moderates" in Mosul vs Aleppo, I Think the Syrian Government should identify the "moderate" elements, and start providing them with weapons and training, including ATGWs, as the "moderates" will only subscribe to light beheading, emergency only sexual slavery, selected religious genocide, mildly Salafist principles, the odd murder of homosexuals etc. They should be easy to identify, sorry, create out of thin air.
Just the kind of people you want to create a stable, moderate and tolerant country, they need weapons to protect themselves from the evils of the Iraqi government, who clearly are committing war crimes by attacking these reasonable people, by not ensuring all civilians have left Mosul.
We should have a H0C debate about how to prevent this travesty from occurring, a No fly zone over Iraq is the first necessity of course.
sarcasm [/]
There does seem to be a lack of "moderates" in Mosul vs Aleppo, I Think the Syrian Government should identify the "moderate" elements, and start providing them with weapons and training, including ATGWs, as the "moderates" will only subscribe to light beheading, emergency only sexual slavery, selected religious genocide, mildly Salafist principles, the odd murder of homosexuals etc. They should be easy to identify, sorry, create out of thin air.
Just the kind of people you want to create a stable, moderate and tolerant country, they need weapons to protect themselves from the evils of the Iraqi government, who clearly are committing war crimes by attacking these reasonable people, by not ensuring all civilians have left Mosul.
We should have a H0C debate about how to prevent this travesty from occurring, a No fly zone over Iraq is the first necessity of course.
sarcasm [/]
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 17th October 12:10
QuantumTokoloshi said:
It is illuminating to see the different coverage of the Iraqi "heroic" attempt to retake Mosul, against the "evil" and unreasonable attempt by Syrian government to retake control of Aleppo, with the same opponents active in both cities.
You already know the difference between the two.Cobnapint said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
It is illuminating to see the different coverage of the Iraqi "heroic" attempt to retake Mosul, against the "evil" and unreasonable attempt by Syrian government to retake control of Aleppo, with the same opponents active in both cities.
You already know the difference between the two.It sounds a lot like the Russians action, but then they did not invade Syria on falsified evidence presented to the United Nations. I guess Russia should get with the times, invasion and destabilisation is the new diplomacy.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 17th October 10:55
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Cobnapint said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
It is illuminating to see the different coverage of the Iraqi "heroic" attempt to retake Mosul, against the "evil" and unreasonable attempt by Syrian government to retake control of Aleppo, with the same opponents active in both cities.
You already know the difference between the two.It sounds a lot like the Russians action, but then they did not invade Syria on falsified evidence presented to the United Nations. I guess Russia should get with the times, invasion and destabilisation is the new diplomacy.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 17th October 10:55
Its like you have been living under a rock or something...
frankenstein12 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Cobnapint said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
It is illuminating to see the different coverage of the Iraqi "heroic" attempt to retake Mosul, against the "evil" and unreasonable attempt by Syrian government to retake control of Aleppo, with the same opponents active in both cities.
You already know the difference between the two.It sounds a lot like the Russians action, but then they did not invade Syria on falsified evidence presented to the United Nations. I guess Russia should get with the times, invasion and destabilisation is the new diplomacy.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 17th October 10:55
Its like you have been living under a rock or something...
Then we should invite these moderate religious warriors to Europe to spread their doctrine of freedom here, along with the weapons and training we have given them.
Great idea. We need a no fly zone to protect these beacons of tolerance and theocracy, along with sanctions to pressure the illegitimate regime, no oil sanctions of course.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 17th October 12:09
It's nothing like the action Assad and the Russians are taking, and you know it.
Mosul is controlled by IS and it's murderous caliphate. Iraqi forces are trying to free 'it', and it's citizens from IS's oppression and return control to the elected government.
Aleppo is being oppressed by it's own murderous leader who wants to eliminate the citizens inside who he sees as a threat to his dictatorship. All aided and abetted by your mate Mr.P.
Mosul is controlled by IS and it's murderous caliphate. Iraqi forces are trying to free 'it', and it's citizens from IS's oppression and return control to the elected government.
Aleppo is being oppressed by it's own murderous leader who wants to eliminate the citizens inside who he sees as a threat to his dictatorship. All aided and abetted by your mate Mr.P.
Cobnapint said:
It's nothing like the action Assad and the Russians are taking, and you know it.
Mosul is controlled by IS and it's murderous caliphate. Iraqi forces are trying to free 'it', and it's citizens from IS's oppression and return control to the elected government.
Aleppo is being oppressed by it's own murderous leader who wants to eliminate the citizens inside who he sees as a threat to his dictatorship. All aided and abetted by your mate Mr.P.
Iraqis attacking Mosul are those same that are helping Assad oust terrorists from Aleppo... also if you followed this conflict a bit closer you'd realise that most of IS terrorists came from FSA and other "moderate" rebels. Together with weapons supplied by West.Mosul is controlled by IS and it's murderous caliphate. Iraqi forces are trying to free 'it', and it's citizens from IS's oppression and return control to the elected government.
Aleppo is being oppressed by it's own murderous leader who wants to eliminate the citizens inside who he sees as a threat to his dictatorship. All aided and abetted by your mate Mr.P.
Cobnapint said:
It's nothing like the action Assad and the Russians are taking, and you know it.
Mosul is controlled by IS and it's murderous caliphate. Iraqi forces are trying to free 'it', and it's citizens from IS's oppression and return control to the elected government.
Aleppo is being oppressed by it's own murderous leader who wants to eliminate the citizens inside who he sees as a threat to his dictatorship. All aided and abetted by your mate Mr.P.
Nothing like those actions, you are so correct, not like they are dropping free fall bombs on the city, or using artillery in a city with civilians, without getting them out first, why have they not got the civilians out first? that is a war crime! No humanitarian help is getting through to the civilians in Mosul, clearly the actions of a murderous regime.Mosul is controlled by IS and it's murderous caliphate. Iraqi forces are trying to free 'it', and it's citizens from IS's oppression and return control to the elected government.
Aleppo is being oppressed by it's own murderous leader who wants to eliminate the citizens inside who he sees as a threat to his dictatorship. All aided and abetted by your mate Mr.P.
The murderous Iraqi regime is killing its own civilians, the government should stand trial, along with anybody supporting them, oh look it is the UK and USA.
No fly zone should be implemented now! we need to stop this massacre now etc. etc.
What should we do with the moderate fighters in Mosul? A difficult question that, as they are clearly an underground force waiting to burst onto the scene to free Iraq from a tyrannical regime. Syria and Russia should flood the city with weapons, preferably lots of anti-tank weapons, and train their fighters, so they can rise up and fight off this evil regime that indiscriminately bombs and uses artillery on its own civilians, which it has not got out of Mosul before attempting to attack the city.
sarcasm [/]
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 17th October 11:41
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