Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Transmitter Man said:
Not forgetting the forced recruiting of able young men (who are fleeing with other familiy member from the many war zones) into the regime
Like conscription then, making people defend their own homeland instead of running away?Transmitter Man said:
and immediately sending them to the front line to put Sunni against Sunni thereby killing them at double the normal rate.
Why does being Sunni matter? Are you saying that they should be fighting with Daiesh? Or that only Shia should be fighting for the fleeing Sunni?Transmitter Man said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Liokault said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Liokault said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Liokault said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Seems those mythical "moderate Islamic fundamentalists" in Aleppo, are only moderately targeting medical facilities and injured civilians. The lack of hysterical shouting about !!!! war crimes !!!! By the usual international suspects is rather damning in this case. Lucky those moderates are so moderate.
Maybe because you spent so long arguing that bombing hospitals was just par for the course these days when Russia was accused of doing it....repeatedly.Is bombing hospitals bad again now? Does this mean that Russia has stopped doing it now?
It seems that when the Russians do it, it is a !!! war crime !!!, yet when the US or associated "allies" do it, it is merely a cost of war, so sorry, the infamous collateral damage euphemism.
Consistency of response would be good.
It’s almost like you want to say it’s bad, but don’t want to say it’s bad when Russia does it.
You want to call it a war crime when it’s done by anyone other than Putin, but if anyone refers to any hospital attack actually done by Putin, you can't bring yourself to criticise it, you actually try to defend it by immediately pointing out that "everyone" attacks hospitals.
Hence my repeated question re are attacks on hospitals bad again in your mind, just like they weren’t when Putin was repeatedly bombing them?
The next question is, who is reporting these "hospitals"? Is it the infamous white hats, who seems to have a great ability in finding "hospitals" under every bomb dropped. The stories of the "moderates" using medical facilities as cover for military activities.
These are the UK and US allies, those mythical moderate Islamic fundamentalist in action.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a6b_1462402912
Now, perhaps you would like to give your view on the "moderates" in Aleppo, using civilians as human shields, to ensure civilian casualties, the same groups the USA is supporting with weapons and the UK is supporting with logistics? and who have directly targeted a medical facility, with no military connection ?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 8th December 09:58
You forget one important point.
When the US hits a hospital, they admit it, albeit sometime with several days delay but they still own up to it.
Putin & Assad do not admit to hitting a civilian hospital or clinic..
They will state it's a terrorist hideout.
Phil
A little reminder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3988433.stm
By Saturday, November 6, the assault on Falluja began. U.S. rockets took out their first target: the Hai Nazal Hospital, a new facility that was just about ready to open its doors. A spokesman for the First Marines Expeditionary Force said, “A hospital was not on the target list.” But there it is, reduced to a pile of rubble. Then on Sunday night the Special Forces stormed the Falluja General Hospital. They rounded up all the doctors, pushed them face down on the floor and handcuffed them with plastic straps behind their backs. With the hospital occupied, those wounded by the U.S. aerial bombings headed to the Falluja Central Health Clinic. And so at 5:30 a.m. on Tuesday, November 9, U.S. warplanes bombed that clinic as well, killing 35 patients, 15 medics, 4 nurses, 5 support staff and 4 doctors, according to a doctor who survived (The Nation, 13 December). U.S. fire also targeted an ambulance, killing five patients and the driver.
Phew, lucky those hospitals were not on the target list.
And who can forget this little gem, which we would never have known about, without Manning. I guess they were also "not on the target list"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
Perhaps we should hold Russia and the Syrian Government to the same standard? No need to explain any further than, "not on the target list"
An excellent example of the modern narrative.
Assad the real danger !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Worse than ISIS!!!!!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/syri...
Oh look, 1/4 of the income from the Saudis and Bahrainis, could there be a smidgen of bias?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/06/brit...
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
DMN said:
The pathetic whataboutism on this thread has destroyed it.
Disagree. If you remove your blinkers perhaps an element of balance may prevail. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that QT has a very valid point.QT I doth my hat to you Sir for your continued perseverance
off topic a little but I've been wondering about this..
how come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
how come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Really?
A little reminder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3988433.stm
By Saturday, November 6, the assault on Falluja began. U.S. rockets took out their first target: the Hai Nazal Hospital, a new facility that was just about ready to open its doors. A spokesman for the First Marines Expeditionary Force said, “A hospital was not on the target list.” But there it is, reduced to a pile of rubble. Then on Sunday night the Special Forces stormed the Falluja General Hospital. They rounded up all the doctors, pushed them face down on the floor and handcuffed them with plastic straps behind their backs. With the hospital occupied, those wounded by the U.S. aerial bombings headed to the Falluja Central Health Clinic. And so at 5:30 a.m. on Tuesday, November 9, U.S. warplanes bombed that clinic as well, killing 35 patients, 15 medics, 4 nurses, 5 support staff and 4 doctors, according to a doctor who survived (The Nation, 13 December). U.S. fire also targeted an ambulance, killing five patients and the driver.
Phew, lucky those hospitals were not on the target list.
And who can forget this little gem, which we would never have known about, without Manning. I guess they were also "not on the target list"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
Perhaps we should hold Russia and the Syrian Government to the same standard? No need to explain any further than, "not on the target list"
An excellent example of the modern narrative.
Assad the real danger !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Worse than ISIS!!!!!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/syri...
Oh look, 1/4 of the income from the Saudis and Bahrainis, could there be a smidgen of bias?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/06/brit...
to add A little reminder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3988433.stm
By Saturday, November 6, the assault on Falluja began. U.S. rockets took out their first target: the Hai Nazal Hospital, a new facility that was just about ready to open its doors. A spokesman for the First Marines Expeditionary Force said, “A hospital was not on the target list.” But there it is, reduced to a pile of rubble. Then on Sunday night the Special Forces stormed the Falluja General Hospital. They rounded up all the doctors, pushed them face down on the floor and handcuffed them with plastic straps behind their backs. With the hospital occupied, those wounded by the U.S. aerial bombings headed to the Falluja Central Health Clinic. And so at 5:30 a.m. on Tuesday, November 9, U.S. warplanes bombed that clinic as well, killing 35 patients, 15 medics, 4 nurses, 5 support staff and 4 doctors, according to a doctor who survived (The Nation, 13 December). U.S. fire also targeted an ambulance, killing five patients and the driver.
Phew, lucky those hospitals were not on the target list.
And who can forget this little gem, which we would never have known about, without Manning. I guess they were also "not on the target list"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
Perhaps we should hold Russia and the Syrian Government to the same standard? No need to explain any further than, "not on the target list"
An excellent example of the modern narrative.
Assad the real danger !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Worse than ISIS!!!!!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/syri...
Oh look, 1/4 of the income from the Saudis and Bahrainis, could there be a smidgen of bias?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/06/brit...
in the last 24hrs
90 Iraqi military servicemen were killed and 100 wounded as result of a US airstrike in Mosul, the Iraqi Factiniraq news portal reported.
The airstrike that had been likely made by mistake on Friday allegedly destroyed eight infantry fighting vehicles and four Humvee military light trucks belonging to Iraqi security forces (ISF) and pushed ISF to retreat from the recently liberated areas of the ISIS stronghold.
discusdave said:
off topic a little but I've been wondering about this..
how come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
the israeli goal is to keep muslims in permanent war between themselves, that way they won't pay attention on Israelhow come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
so when sunnis are weaker they'll help sunnis and vice versa
discusdave said:
off topic a little but I've been wondering about this..
how come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
The power plays, backstabbing, low key support and general fhow come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
kery in the M.E. is nigh incomprehensible.They spent 1700 years butchering each other when it was mostly about what material your head touched when praying. Throw a Jewish state into the mix and the results are what we see.
Wahhabism in particular (KSA's state religion after Mohammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab and the House of Saud made a pact in the middle of the desert in the 18th century) sees Shia muslims as enemy number 1. Worse than even Christians or Jews.
The aim is to eliminate Shia Islam, them move onto the other Judeo-Christian religions.
Follow the massacres ISIS and "moderate" rebel forces have carried out the past few years in their back yards, mostly other Islamic sects.
Forget North Korea, Russia, Cuba, China... The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is the greatest threat to Western civilisation we face.
Palmyra: Isis pulls out of ancient city after heavy Russian bombing
America and Britain will be dissapointed - this doesn't really fit into our narrative that the Russians are only bombing those fluffy, cuddly uber-moderate rebels and are ignoring ISIS.
America and Britain will be dissapointed - this doesn't really fit into our narrative that the Russians are only bombing those fluffy, cuddly uber-moderate rebels and are ignoring ISIS.
BlackLabel said:
Palmyra: Isis pulls out of ancient city after heavy Russian bombing
America and Britain will be dissapointed - this doesn't really fit into our narrative that the Russians are only bombing those fluffy, cuddly uber-moderate rebels and are ignoring ISIS.
Read the comments, it would seem more and more people are getting sick of the MSM brainwashing. This guy hits it on the head:America and Britain will be dissapointed - this doesn't really fit into our narrative that the Russians are only bombing those fluffy, cuddly uber-moderate rebels and are ignoring ISIS.
>Yes, if I did not know any better one might think this was last desperate throw of the dice by US and UK to divert the >Syrian Army from defeating Al Qeada in Aleppo.
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>We know the US support Al Qeada - and their actions indicate they support ISIS in Syria.
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>It is such a shame that nowadays I view every news story with extreme sceptism and every attack against the Syrian >Army and people as one instigated by NATO/Turkey/Saudi Arabia.
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>One example, today's bombing in Turkey - two suspects according to MSM. ISIS and the PKK. Have to say my money is >on the third suspect in all this - President Erdogan.
Art0ir said:
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that QT has a very valid point.
Completely undone by his vehement onesidedness going the other way.Driller said:
BlackLabel said:
Palmyra: Isis pulls out of ancient city after heavy Russian bombing
America and Britain will be dissapointed - this doesn't really fit into our narrative that the Russians are only bombing those fluffy, cuddly uber-moderate rebels and are ignoring ISIS.
Read the comments, it would seem more and more people are getting sick of the MSM brainwashing. This guy hits it on the head:America and Britain will be dissapointed - this doesn't really fit into our narrative that the Russians are only bombing those fluffy, cuddly uber-moderate rebels and are ignoring ISIS.
>Yes, if I did not know any better one might think this was last desperate throw of the dice by US and UK to divert the >Syrian Army from defeating Al Qeada in Aleppo.
>
>We know the US support Al Qeada - and their actions indicate they support ISIS in Syria.
>
>It is such a shame that nowadays I view every news story with extreme sceptism and every attack against the Syrian >Army and people as one instigated by NATO/Turkey/Saudi Arabia.
>
>One example, today's bombing in Turkey - two suspects according to MSM. ISIS and the PKK. Have to say my money is >on the third suspect in all this - President Erdogan.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 12th December 22:48
discusdave said:
off topic a little but I've been wondering about this..
how come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
Israelis collectively remember the Holocaust & say 'never again'. There is a feeling among many that Iran is an existential threat that will eventually become nuclear armed, & will have the capability of wiping out the Jewish state. Indeed, Iran has threatened many times that it will do just that, whereas the Saudis have even suggested ways to restart the peace process & that they would normalise relations with Jerusalem.how come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
Art0ir said:
discusdave said:
off topic a little but I've been wondering about this..
how come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
The power plays, backstabbing, low key support and general fhow come that the Israelis are more afraid of Iran and it's benevolent Shia Islam then it has of the the Saudi Wahabi/Takfiri.
How come that the so called ISIS and the other 31 flavors of jihadist's from the ME are attacking only secular independent Arab and Muslim countries, not under the control of Washington?
Shouldn't the principal enemy of Saudi Arabia and all those so called radical "Islamist" be the state of Israel?
Shouldn't their main objective be the liberation of Palestine from Israeli occupation?
Yet we have a Saudi regime declaring openly, that it would open it's airspace for the Israeli Air Force, to bomb and destroy another Muslim country, namely Iran??
Don't you find that to be very odd and absolutely bizarre policy, for someone that proclaims it self to be the protector and the cradle of Islam?
kery in the M.E. is nigh incomprehensible.They spent 1700 years butchering each other when it was mostly about what material your head touched when praying. Throw a Jewish state into the mix and the results are what we see.
Wahhabism in particular (KSA's state religion after Mohammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab and the House of Saud made a pact in the middle of the desert in the 18th century) sees Shia muslims as enemy number 1. Worse than even Christians or Jews.
The aim is to eliminate Shia Islam, them move onto the other Judeo-Christian religions.
Follow the massacres ISIS and "moderate" rebel forces have carried out the past few years in their back yards, mostly other Islamic sects.
Forget North Korea, Russia, Cuba, China... The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is the greatest threat to Western civilisation we face.
everyday is a school day..
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