Meanwhile, In Syria

[scherzkeks]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

America would never support ISIS, likewise the UK logistical support to all those moderate Islamic fundamentalists, who the MOD cannot even name.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-14/congressw...

This act alone makes her a national treasure in my book. Brave, principled woman.

[The Don of Croy]

Her comments on the White Helmets is interesting - is it true? Are they lavishly funded but only active in selected areas?

[Transmitter Man]

Art0ir said:

I think the main issue is people are looking for good guys and bad guys, when it just doesn't work like that. Especially in the Middle East. There's documented war crimes on both sides now, enough to see books full of charges written.

Art,

But excluding IS and AQ do you think that those crimes are similar in number from both sides?

I happen not to.

Syria: Mass Deaths and Torture in Detention

https://youtu.be/eQni3qn6GIU

Phil

[AreOut]

Phil, almost all jihadi factions are very similar to each other, it just happens that IS and AQ have the best "marketing".

[pim]

Bassad Ashad wont keep a lid on this.To much killing and destruction of his own people has gone on.

One thing for sure we haven't moved on have we.

[Transmitter Man]

AreOut said:

Phil, almost all jihadi factions are very similar to each other, it just happens that IS and AQ have the best "marketing".

and of the non-jihadi factions made up of Syrians who just wanted freedom from the Assad regime?

I'm sorry Art but you just don't get it do you. You are just putting everyone in one box and it's simply not as simple as that.

Phil

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

AreOut said:

Phil, almost all jihadi factions are very similar to each other, it just happens that IS and AQ have the best "marketing".

and of the non-jihadi factions made up of Syrians who just wanted freedom from the Assad regime?

I'm sorry Art but you just don't get it do you. You are just putting everyone in one box and it's simply not as simple as that.

Phil

Those factions existed 4 or 5 years ago, but were quickly seized upon as a convenient regime change option by external players, it is now a binary choice in Syria, with violent jihadists indistinguishable from "Freedom Fighters".

I am sure the Yazidi men and woman really, truly, appreciated the minority religious freedom they experienced and are experiencing under those "Freedom Fighters."

The various tinpot dictators in the Middle East are terrible, until the Western sponsored explosive freedom and air dropped democracy becomes a violent and deadly reality. See Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan for a quick reference guide.

[Goaty Bill 2]

dudleybloke said:

Eva Bartlett said some interesting things at the U.N about the lies from the media about the conflict.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VNQGsiP8M

Snopes has a view on the statement about the 'recycled' victim Aya Victims of atrocities in Syria are being recycled by anti-government activists.

Mistake or lie?

Her website In Gaza - Eva Bartlett

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Saturday 17th December 11:22

[Transmitter Man]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Those factions existed 4 or 5 years ago, but were quickly seized upon as a convenient regime change option by external players, it is now a binary choice in Syria, with violent jihadists indistinguishable from "Freedom Fighters".

I am sure the Yazidi men and woman really, truly, appreciated the minority religious freedom they experienced and are experiencing under those "Freedom Fighters."

The various tinpot dictators in the Middle East are terrible, until the Western sponsored explosive freedom and air dropped democracy becomes a violent and deadly reality. See Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan for a quick reference guide.

Quantum,

OK, I know you're anti western.

Anti tin pot dictators.

Who, if anyone do you respect in this world to run their country the way you see it?

Btw, over the past six months I have worked for the London office of one of your so called ME tin pots. His citizens in the main have a very nice life. Those who are not citizens of the country maybe less so however it's their choice to work there and no doubt have a better life that back in their home country - and it's completely tax free. There are no taxes in the country, none, nada, zilch.

Phil

[Art0ir]

Transmitter Man said:

I'm sorry Art but you just don't get it do you. You are just putting everyone in one box and it's simply not as simple as that.

Phil

Sorry Phil but you've been driving this narrative for years now. It's clear as time has gone on fewer people are buying it.

ISIS, AQ and affiliate groups are running the show, not the secularist idealists you continue to depict.

[Scoobman]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

dudleybloke said:

Eva Bartlett said some interesting things at the U.N about the lies from the media about the conflict.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VNQGsiP8M

Snopes has a view on the statement about the 'recycled' victim Aya Victims of atrocities in Syria are being recycled by anti-government activists.

Mistake or lie?

Her website In Gaza - Eva Bartlett

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Saturday 17th December 11:22

Thanks for posting that as it gives another viewpoint.

I do not think the author does themselves any favours due to their last line.
´´It is a claim also promoted by David Icke, who is best known for believing the world is controlled by Martian lizard people.´´
I think if they had left that line out, it would have given their, perhaps justified, claim that Bartlett has it wrong on certain points more weight.

Interestingly The Red cross for many years was non partisan. MSF are not.

[Scoobman]

Snopes check facts, or so it says

Snopes version of the white helmets, no evidence to suggest they are western backed terrorist types

http://www.snopes.com/syrian-rescue-organization-t...

Meanwhile of you tube, lots of evidence to ´´prove´´ that they are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oQTWn1JfeA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO000aPGdXE

But evidence can be manufactured.....

So who knows....where truth ends and fiction starts?

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

and of the non-jihadi factions made up of Syrians who just wanted freedom from the Assad regime?

I'm sorry Art but you just don't get it do you. You are just putting everyone in one box and it's simply not as simple as that.

Phil

such groups existed at the beginning, but they are long gone..

[Scoobman]

From a pro Russian web source

https://southfront.org/breaking-14-us-led-coalitio...

Another source

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/reports-at-l...

Edited by Scoobman on Saturday 17th December 21:19

[Blaster72]

source said:

Mutaz Kano?lu – Turkey
David Scott Winer – USA
David Shlomo Aram – Israel
Muhamad Tamimi – Qatar
Muhamad Ahmad Assabian – Saudi
Abd-el-Menham Fahd al Harij – Saudi
Islam Salam Ezzahran Al Hajlan – Saudi
Ahmed Ben Naoufel Al Darij – Saudi
Muhamad Hassan Al Sabihi – Saudi
Hamad Fahad Al Dousri – Saudi
Amjad Qassem Al Tiraoui – Jordan
Qassem Saad Al Shamry – Saudi
Ayman Qassem Al Thahalbi – Saudi
Mohamed Ech-Chafihi El Idrissi – Moroccan
Listen to Fares Shehabi’s interview on the Sunday Wire radio show: ‘Liberation Aleppo‘
In addition to Voltaire.net, the other original report was provided by Damascus-based Syrian journalist Said Hilal Alcharifi. According to Alcharifi, captured “NATO” officers were from a number of member states including the US, France, Germany and Turkey, as well as Israel. Here is his statement (translated from French):

“Thanks to information received, Syrian authorities discovered the headquarters of high ranking western/NATO officers in the basement of an area in East Aleppo and have captured them alive. Some names have already been given to Syrian journalists, myself included. The nationalities are US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan, Qatari etc. In light of their nationalities and their rank, I assure you that the Syrian government have a very important catch, which should enable them to direct negotiations with the countries that have tried to destroy them

So they are listed as high ranking NATO officers US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan, Qatari yet the list of names doesn't have any French, British or Germans in it?? Are they still trying to get those names out of these "High Ranking NATO officials"?

Again, foggy news from less than reliable sources. Why aren't these men being paraded on Syrian or Russian TV?

[Scoobman]

Who knows eh!
Perhaps all will revealed, perhaps it is Russian propaganda.
I will keep on eye on RT to see if it surfaces there or not

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Those factions existed 4 or 5 years ago, but were quickly seized upon as a convenient regime change option by external players, it is now a binary choice in Syria, with violent jihadists indistinguishable from "Freedom Fighters".

I am sure the Yazidi men and woman really, truly, appreciated the minority religious freedom they experienced and are experiencing under those "Freedom Fighters."

The various tinpot dictators in the Middle East are terrible, until the Western sponsored explosive freedom and air dropped democracy becomes a violent and deadly reality. See Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan for a quick reference guide.

Quantum,

OK, I know you're anti western.

Anti tin pot dictators.

Who, if anyone do you respect in this world to run their country the way you see it?

Btw, over the past six months I have worked for the London office of one of your so called ME tin pots. His citizens in the main have a very nice life. Those who are not citizens of the country maybe less so however it's their choice to work there and no doubt have a better life that back in their home country - and it's completely tax free. There are no taxes in the country, none, nada, zilch.

Phil

Anti-Western? I love Westerns, especially Clint Eastwood movies.

They just make bad foreign policy.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 17th December 22:14

[Transmitter Man]

So, please answer my question:

Who, if anyone do you respect in this world to run their country the way you see it?

Phil

[Transmitter Man]

On another note, one hopes they did not purchase a return ticket.

https://twitter.com/AhmadAlkhtiib/status/810498740...

Tin hat firmly on head.

Phil

[Goaty Bill 2]

Transmitter Man said:

So, please answer my question:

Who, if anyone do you respect in this world to run their country the way you see it?

Phil

I would suggest the democratically elected government, irrespective of how poorly 'we' think they are doing.

That Syria had elections at all was a step in the right direction.
That some people didn't like the result of a poll, and protested publicly, seems a good deal less unusual to me since Brexit vote / Trump election.